June 18, 1940

NAT

Gordon Knapman Fraser

National Government

Mr. FRASER (Northumberland, Ont.):

On a point of order, may I ask what the hon. member is reading from.

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Thomas Miller Bell

Mr. COLD WELL:

Why do you not listen?

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CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

Before I began reading from this report I said what I was reading from. The hon. gentleman was writing and did not hear me and so he had to rise to a point of order.

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NAT

Gordon Knapman Fraser

National Government

Mr. FRASER (Northumberland, Ont.):

Thanks very much for the information.

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CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

You will see it in Hansard to-morrow. The excess profits tax will be at the rate of 100 per cent, Mr. Attlee said. He went on:

There will be no profit out of the national smergency.

Can the Prime Minister of Canada rise in ais place to-night and say that there will be ao profit to Canadian employers out of the present emergency?

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LIB

Vincent Dupuis

Liberal

Mr. DUPUIS:

There has been none since the war began.

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CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

I gave up believing in fairy tales many years ago. Mr. Attlee continues:

Other establishments may be ordered to carry on and they may perhaps be ordered to carry on at a loss, but there must be power to carry on essential services, and if people are put in a position where they are making a loss, they must have adequate remuneration in order to do their job effectively. The essential thing is that over a wide field-how wide one cannot

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say at the moment-industry will be carried on for the community in fact, and not for private profit.

If the Prime Minister or any member of the government on his behalf will make such a statement to this house, then much as we dislike conscription of man-power, we shall be willing to vote for the conscription of manpower. But until such a statement is made, we are not going to vote for conscription of man-power because we know the long distance between the promises of this government and their fulfilment.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

May I ask my hon. friend, in view of what he has just said, what value would attach to anything I might say, if what he has said is true?

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CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

Well, I believe there is

room for the position I have taken in regard to the Prime Minister's past promises. But after all-possibly due to this war of nerves -we are willing to rely once more on another promise in order to get something done. However, the Prime Minister can go much further than a promise. He can put it in the bill, and then there will be no doubt about it. And in order that we may get ahead with the bill as quickly as possible, I move the following amendment:

That in the opinion of this house the governor in council shall not authorize the compulsory enlistment of man-power for military service until he has authorized the conscription by nationalization of essential war industries and financial institutions.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE (Quebec East):

That is

not an amendment to the motion for second reading. It is a resolution.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

It is an expression of opinion in the form of another resolution.

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LIB

Georges Parent (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

I am afraid the amendment is out of order. It is not an amendment but is rather a substantive motion.

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CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

Before Your Honour makes any definite ruling may I draw to your attention-

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LIB

Georges Parent (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

My ruling is not debatable.

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CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

I am raising a point of order.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Order.

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CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

I am quite willing to obey the ruling of the Speaker-

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LIB

Georges Parent (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order. The ruling is not debatable.

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CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

I am not debating your ruling, Mr. Speaker, but I want to refer you to the rule on which we base our amendment, paragraph 755, under standing order 75.

Emergency Powers-Speakers Puling

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LIB

Georges Parent (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

I am sorry; I have already made my ruling. Any statement to be made should have been made before I made my ruling.

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June 18, 1940