May 27, 1940

NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

Oh, yes; since the war. I do not like to tell my hon. friend the name of the party or where this took place, but it concerned an important defence work, the construction of fortifications.

Topic:   BRITISH COMMONWEALTH AIR TRAINING PLAN CHART SHOWING SEQUENCE OF TRAINING
Permalink
LIB

James Layton Ralston (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

I think I know what my hon. friend has in mind.

Topic:   BRITISH COMMONWEALTH AIR TRAINING PLAN CHART SHOWING SEQUENCE OF TRAINING
Permalink
NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

That contract was let to a company which was not especially in that kind of business, and it was sublet by the successful tenderer to a first-class contracting firm. There is an unearned profit there to somebody, and that is not in the public interest. That is one sort of case. There are other classes of contracts that might be investigated a little further. On the whole I think we might have a profitable discussion, without acrimony, if this whole matter were to be left until the minister comes back. It is nearly eleven o'clock now, anyway. As a matter of fact, the section is so wide and sweeping that it occurred to me that we should consider it subsection by subsection. The hon. member for Yale referred to paragraph (b). I suggest to the minister that this is entirely regulated by existing legislation and ought not to be in the bill at all. In the meantime he might make some further inquiry in regard to this point.

Topic:   BRITISH COMMONWEALTH AIR TRAINING PLAN CHART SHOWING SEQUENCE OF TRAINING
Permalink
LIB

James Layton Ralston (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

With all due respect to my hon. friend, he is not going to get me to jettison anything in this bill that has been there previously if I can help it.

Topic:   BRITISH COMMONWEALTH AIR TRAINING PLAN CHART SHOWING SEQUENCE OF TRAINING
Permalink
NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

There may be a reason for it, of course; but at first blush, if I may put it that way, there is no reason. Then I have been looking at paragraph (a) and wondering if we were putting aside entirely the provisions of the Civil Service Act. I understand that employees of the Department of Munitions and Supply and of the Department of National Defence are being secured through the civil service commission from approved lists of persons who have passed examinations and so on. This subsection, of course, simply puts aside the whole principle of the Civil Service Act. After all, these are civil employees.

Topic:   BRITISH COMMONWEALTH AIR TRAINING PLAN CHART SHOWING SEQUENCE OF TRAINING
Permalink
LIB

James Layton Ralston (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

If my hon. friend will permit me, under its statute the Department of Munitions and Supply has full power to make appointments without reference to the civil service commission, which is just the provision we have here. But the government has adopted a practice under which, although the government has the right to make the appointments, the matter goes to the treasury board which in turn refers it to the civil service commission, for the purpose of obtaining information before the appointments are recommended to the government. So, while my hon. friend says the Department of Munitions and Supply obtains its employees through

War-Western Front Developments

the civil service commission, that is by reason of the fact that the government, notwithstanding its power to make the appointments direct, itself voluntarily refers the matter to the civil service commission.

Topic:   BRITISH COMMONWEALTH AIR TRAINING PLAN CHART SHOWING SEQUENCE OF TRAINING
Permalink
NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

Of course the fact that parliament has erred heretofore is no reason why it should err again. I think as far as possible, having regard to the exigencies of the case, we should stick to the Civil Service Act. I know there may be times when you cannot go through what I may call the red tape of having men or women appointed by the civil service commission, but still there is a principle involved even in war time. We know that under the Civil Service Act regard must be had for the approved lists, although the treasury board may take the last one on the list without taking the names in rotation. I think the minister should give further consideration to this point. Perhaps we might call it eleven o'clock now and let this whole section stand.

Progress reported.

On motion of Mr. Ralston the house adjourned at 10.58 pun.

Tuesday, May 28, 1940

(Questions answered orally are indicated by an asterisk.)

Topic:   BRITISH COMMONWEALTH AIR TRAINING PLAN CHART SHOWING SEQUENCE OF TRAINING
Permalink

May 27, 1940