September 11, 1939

CON

Thomas Langton Church

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. T. L. CHURCH (Broadview):

Topic:   CANADIAN PATRIOTIC FUND
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR ASSISTANCE TO DEPENDENTS OF OFFICERS AND MEN ON ACTIVE SERVICE
Permalink

Motion agreed to, bill read the second time and the house went into committee thereon, Mr. Sanderson in the chair. Section 1 agreed to. On section 2-Incorporation.


CON

John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

The last line of section

2 is as follows:

. . . together with such other persons as become members of the corporation.

By whom are they to be selected or appointed?

Topic:   CANADIAN PATRIOTIC FUND
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR ASSISTANCE TO DEPENDENTS OF OFFICERS AND MEN ON ACTIVE SERVICE
Permalink
LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

By the corporation.

Topic:   CANADIAN PATRIOTIC FUND
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR ASSISTANCE TO DEPENDENTS OF OFFICERS AND MEN ON ACTIVE SERVICE
Permalink

Section agreed to. On section 3-Objects.


LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Private soldier

Comparison of amounts payable to dependents in Great War and present rates

Wife

Wife and 1 child.. Wife and 2 children Wife and 3 children Wife and 4 children Wife and 5 children Wife and 6 children Wife and 7 children

Wife

Wife and 1 child.. Wife and 2 children Wife and 3 children Wife and 4 children Wife and 5 children Wife and 6 children Wife and 7 children

Present rates

Separation Assigned Total to Soldier'sAllowance Pay Dependents Portion$ 35 00 $20 00 $ 55 00 $19 0047 00 - 20 00 67 00 19 0059 00 20 00 79 00 19 0071 00 20 00 91 00 19 0083 00 20 00 103 00 19 0095 00 20 00 115 00 19 00107 00 20 00 127 00 19 00119 00 20 00 139 00 19 00

Great War rates

Separation Assigned Pay Canadian Patriotic Total to Soldier'sAllowance Fund Dependents Portion$30 00 $20 00 $10 00 $60 00 $13 0030 00 20 00 19 00 69 00 13 0030 00 20 00 26 00 76 00 13 0030 00 20 00 31 00 81 00 13 0030 00 20 00 36 00 86 00 13 0030 00 20 00 41 00 91 00 13 0030 00 20 00 45 00 95 00 13 0030 00 20 00 45 00 95 00 13 00

In this connection I may say that certain societies and associations made representations that it might not be necessary for the patriotic fund to raise such large sums of money and suggested that section 3 be amended to provide that the patriotic fund corporation should, in addition to the duty of collecting these moneys, have placed upon it the duty of coordinating the efforts of other charitable organizations and that it not be mandatory upon the patriotic fund to start immediately to collect a fund, as the bill now provides. The language of this bill was taken from the 1914 act, and it is made mandatory upon the corporation to collect these funds. The necessity for doing so having to a large extent disappeared owing to the provisions which are being made for dependents, it may not be necessary for the corporation to make such an intensive and extensive drive on the patriotically minded and charitably inclined citizens of Canada. Therefore, I shall ask my colleague, the Minister of Public Works (Mr. Cardin) to move the following:

That section 3 be deleted and the following he substituted therefor:

The objects of the corporation shall be to coordinate the work of and promote cooperation among the various existing organizations carrying on work similar to that of the corporation, and, if it is advisable in the opinion of the corporation, to collect, administer and distribute the fund for the assistance in case of need of the wives, children and dependents, resident in Canada, of officers and men, who, during the present war, may be on active service with the naval, military or air forces of His Majesty or of any allied or associated power.

Topic:   CANADIAN PATRIOTIC FUND
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR ASSISTANCE TO DEPENDENTS OF OFFICERS AND MEN ON ACTIVE SERVICE
Permalink
LIB

Pierre-Joseph-Arthur Cardin (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. CARDIN:

I move accordingly.

Topic:   CANADIAN PATRIOTIC FUND
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR ASSISTANCE TO DEPENDENTS OF OFFICERS AND MEN ON ACTIVE SERVICE
Permalink
CON

Charles Hazlitt Cahan

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAHAN:

Is it the intention to have contributions to this fund considered in the same manner as other charitable contributions in connection with income tax payments?

Topic:   CANADIAN PATRIOTIC FUND
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR ASSISTANCE TO DEPENDENTS OF OFFICERS AND MEN ON ACTIVE SERVICE
Permalink
LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

The acting Minister of Finance (Mr. Ilsley) is not here at the moment, but I would say that would be done. However, I cannot give a definite answer.

Topic:   CANADIAN PATRIOTIC FUND
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR ASSISTANCE TO DEPENDENTS OF OFFICERS AND MEN ON ACTIVE SERVICE
Permalink
CON

Charles Hazlitt Cahan

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAHAN:

I think that was done the last time.

Topic:   CANADIAN PATRIOTIC FUND
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR ASSISTANCE TO DEPENDENTS OF OFFICERS AND MEN ON ACTIVE SERVICE
Permalink
LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

I think it would be done, but I cannot give a definite answer.

Topic:   CANADIAN PATRIOTIC FUND
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR ASSISTANCE TO DEPENDENTS OF OFFICERS AND MEN ON ACTIVE SERVICE
Permalink

Amendment agreed to.


CON

John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

Would the minister explain further what is meant by active service? Would that cover a man guarding a canal, a bridge, or something like that, or is it only the man actually in the army?

Topic:   CANADIAN PATRIOTIC FUND
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR ASSISTANCE TO DEPENDENTS OF OFFICERS AND MEN ON ACTIVE SERVICE
Permalink
LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

My understanding of active service is that it covers those who are called out under section 64 of the Militia Act.

Topic:   CANADIAN PATRIOTIC FUND
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR ASSISTANCE TO DEPENDENTS OF OFFICERS AND MEN ON ACTIVE SERVICE
Permalink
CON

Arza Clair Casselman (Chief Opposition Whip; Whip of the Progressive Conservative Party; Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CASSELMAN:

Those doing guard duty are called out under section 63.

Topic:   CANADIAN PATRIOTIC FUND
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR ASSISTANCE TO DEPENDENTS OF OFFICERS AND MEN ON ACTIVE SERVICE
Permalink
LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

They are called out on service under section 63, whereas they are called out on active service under section 64.

Topic:   CANADIAN PATRIOTIC FUND
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR ASSISTANCE TO DEPENDENTS OF OFFICERS AND MEN ON ACTIVE SERVICE
Permalink
CON

John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

The minister referred twice to a man with a family of six. Is a family of six the limit to receive benefits under the bill?

Topic:   CANADIAN PATRIOTIC FUND
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR ASSISTANCE TO DEPENDENTS OF OFFICERS AND MEN ON ACTIVE SERVICE
Permalink
LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

I do not think a family of six would be the limit in all provinces. I have the figures down to a family of seven. I can tell my hon. friend that a private soldier

Canadian Patriotic Fund

with a family of seven would receive for his dependents the sum of $139, while his portion would be $19. I am informed that the recruiting officers are not very anxious to take recruits with families of ten or twelve.

Topic:   CANADIAN PATRIOTIC FUND
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR ASSISTANCE TO DEPENDENTS OF OFFICERS AND MEN ON ACTIVE SERVICE
Permalink
CON

John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

There is an article in to-day's Citizen referring to a man who had been enlisted in Ottawa with a family of twelve, eight of whom would benefit under the new bill. The result will be that his family will receive $170 a month. I am not saying that is too much, but that is what he would receive.

Topic:   CANADIAN PATRIOTIC FUND
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR ASSISTANCE TO DEPENDENTS OF OFFICERS AND MEN ON ACTIVE SERVICE
Permalink
LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

I hardly think the patriotic fund would have to raise any money for the purpose of looking after that man's family.

Mr. SENN: In the case of a soldier's

decease, have arrangements been made so that his family will fare as well as the family of a soldier who was killed in the last war?

Topic:   CANADIAN PATRIOTIC FUND
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR ASSISTANCE TO DEPENDENTS OF OFFICERS AND MEN ON ACTIVE SERVICE
Permalink

September 11, 1939