June 1, 1939

LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

The delegates last year were: Mr. H. H. Wrong, Geneva, Switzerland, permanent delegate to the League of Nations, who resides in Geneva, and Mr. G. H. Brown of Ottawa, Ontario, assistant deputy minister of labour. The delegate representing the employers of Canada was Mr. A. R. Goldie, of Galt, Ontario, selected by the Canadian 71492-306$

Manufacturers' Association according to the established practice, and the delegate representing the workpeople was Mr. Percy R. Bengough, of Vancouver, selected by the members of the trades and labour congress according to the practice followed in previous years.

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

The expenses of Mr. Brown were SI,639.52, Mr. Goldie, SI,324.70, and Mr. Bengough, $1,486.95. Mr. Wrong had no special account.

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

This year the delegates representing the government of Canada are Mr. H. H. Wrong and Mr. M. S. Campbell of Ottawa, Ontario, chief conciliation officer of the Department of Labour. The delegate representing the employers of Canada is Mr. A. R. Goldie, and the delegate representing the workpeople is Mr. R. J. Tallon, Ottawa, Ontario, secretary-treasurer of the trades and labour congress.

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Abraham Albert Heaps

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. HEAPS:

Are these going at the government's expense?

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CCF

Abraham Albert Heaps

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. HEAPS:

Could the minister give all the names?

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

In addition to the delegates whose names I have already given there were last year the following officers:

Technical Advisers to the Government Delegates:

H. B. Chase, Montreal, Quebec.

Chas. Beattie, Toronto, Ontario.

Emile Tellier, Three Rivers, Quebec.

W. T. Burford, Ottawa, Ontario.

Technical Adviser to the Employers' Delegate:

J. M. McIntosh, Toronto, Ontario.

Technical Adviser to Workpeoples' Delegate:

Raoul Trepanier, Montreal, Quebec.

This year, in addition to the names already mentioned, there are the following officers:

Technical Advisers to the Government Delegates:

Thomas James O'Neill, M.P., Kamloops, British Columbia.

George D. Taylor, Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario.

Michel Alphonse Bourdon, Montreal, Quebec.

Alfred Rive, Geneva, Switzerland.

Technical Adviser to the Employers' Delegate:

G. V. V. Nicholls, Toronto, Ontario.

Technical adviser to the Workpeoples' Delegate:

William H. Phillips, Ottawa, Ontario.

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Denton Massey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MASSEY:

Was any decision reached or pending at any time that we would not be represented as fully this year as last?

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Word reached me through various channels that it was thought possible that we would not be as fully represented this year.

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

No decision of that kind was made at any time. There were suggestions that it would not be necessary to send as large a delegation of advisers this year as in previous years, and as a matter of fact it is not so large this year. We are taking advantage of the services of Mr. Rive, who is on the permanent secretariat at Geneva, as one of the advisers.

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Denton Massey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MASSEY:

But it was not contemplated at any time that we should not be represented?

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Item agreed to. 107. Technical Education Act. Administration, $2,300. Payments to the provinces for the encouragement of technical education, $50,000.


CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

Will the minister explain this item?

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

An act was put through early in the session to enable Manitoba to take up its original allotment, and this is to make provision therefor.

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Item agreed to. BIS. To provide for federal contributions to material aid or contributions to improvement projects (for previous years' commitments $650,000) (revote $475,000), $27,000,000.


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Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

I have appreciated this session the unfailing attention and courtesy given by the minister, and by Mr. Hereford and other members of the staff, in connection with the farm placement plan, whenever any question has been brought to their notice, and I wish to thank them for the adjustments made. I have to-day, as a matter of fact, a letter from the leader of the opposition in the legislature of Saskatchewan in which he emphasizes a condition which I think should be rectified another year if it is deemed necessary to put the scheme into effect, as I think it will be. The intention of the government and of this house is to assist young persons who are without homes to obtain work on farms in return for a small remuneration for that work. It seems to me the regulations are too stringent, and I am making a plea that when this matter comes before the minister another year the regulations be made more generous if that is at all possible. I have before me, for example, a letter from a Saskatchewan point, explaining a condition that calls for some attention:

I am living alone on the farm with my mother who is an invalid, she is not able to do any work and cannot be left

alone at all (the doctor will certify to this). I have to have help in the house or I cannot go outside to work myself. I have no money to pay for help but I have been trying to get assistance from the government through the "Farm Employment Plan" but the government has refused payment because the "worker" has a home in this district. This worker has been working out away from home for two years, she comes from a large family-ten children- who are poor and she needs the money for clothes, times are so hard that she cannot stay at home, she has worked for my mother all this last winter and I want to get the payments for her if possible for this last winter's work which she has done. My mother's sickness is partly a nervous disorder with high blood pressure and she has to have someone looking after her whom she knows, that is why she has to have someone from this neighbourhood. In my own family my father died about eighteen months ago and before that two of my brothers died, making unavoidable expenses. In this worker's family there has been also a terrible amount of sickness for the last ten months. She is eighteen years of age and she needs this money very badly and I am unable to pay it myself. I could give you the names of many neighbours who would tell you that these facts are correct. I might say that last winter 1937-38 her sister worked for my mother under similar conditions and the government gave her the payments without any trouble.

He goes on to tell of several similar cases. Cases of this sort ought in some way be allowed to come in under the plan. I understand the provincial authorities say they can do nothing with such cases because of the federal regulations. I have here the file of correspondence that passed between the department at Regina and the leader of the opposition in the Saskatchewan legislature. I notice that in the last letter the reason is given as follows:

I am directed by the Hon. R. J. M. Parker to acknowledge your letter to him under date of April 26 regarding the above application.

We notified (the lady) on December 20 the reason for the rejection of 'her application, namely, that a worker must have been maintaining herself independent of her home during the period of at least one year immediately preceding the application. We notified her again on January 19 that we could not change our decision contained in our previous communication. We explained the reason for the rejection again on February 24 and then again on March 30.

For your information I am sending you a copy of her application made on November 29, from which you will notice that the only work that she did during the past twelve months was during May and June. For this reason the auditors will not pass it, and I am unable to accept same.

I am drawing this matter to the attention of the minister as typical in the hope that there may be an adjustment. As I said at the outset, I have found the department ready to give sympathetic consideration at all times. This letter came to my hand this afternoon, and I thought I would place it before the

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minister for his consideration now and in the future, because it states the case better than I could.

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Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

My hon. friend, I am sure, understands that some 30,000 cases were dealt with in Saskatchewan, and that in the nature of things there would be some rejections which might be open to question. We have dealt with a large number of individual complaints with respect to rejections, and some corrections have been made; in other cases the rejections have been upheld. But I can assure the hon. member that every case will be dealt with on its merits.

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Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

I said at the outset that I appreciate the courtesy and consideration of the minister. I am bringing this to his attention, as a typical case, not because I am criticizing his department. I believe if the minister had reviewed this case himself the decision might have been different. I shall pass it on to him at the close of the sitting.

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June 1, 1939