May 30, 1939

CON

Grote Stirling

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

A certain amount of

criticism is continually being directed to those who take over the salvaged lands under the soldier settlement board. In justice to the board I should say that I do not think that criticism is always justified when one has access to all the facts. But in British Columbia, and I speak with knowledge of the southern part of the province, there is insistent criticism with regard to the people who are located on salvaged lands. Often they are poor lands, and that may have been the reason they were given up by the soldier occupant. Criticism exists also with regard to those who occupy these lands, particularly in view of the irritation caused by the nazi behaviour of Germans. Up till about a year ago German settlers were coming in, some of them taking up settlement board lands, and we were quite ready to believe that they were going to endeavour at least to become decent Canadian citizens. Then with the incidents around the Munich affair, and so on, reference to which I made the other day, the feeling against the occupants of some of these lands is getting extremely strong. The day before yesterday I received a letter from the reeve of Summer-land, dealing with this matter. I should like

to read two paragraphs, one dealing with lands occupied by Germans, which lands are under the control of the soldier settlement board:

The point I specially want to mention just here is the attitude of the soldier settlement hoard. In several cases they have taken lands away from the soldier settlers but later have sold these lands to Germans at a very much lower price, and I am sure that some of the soldier settlers would have remained on the lands if they had had the same offer that the Germans got. But my point is that the dominion government is actually encouraging this settlement of Germans by selling them the lands. Surely it would be better for the country even if the lands were left idle, than to have this big influx of Germans who never will be good citizens. My municipal council has for some time refused to sell tax sale lands to Japanese, and the same treatment should be given to the Germans by the government. I also understand that both the railroads are encouraging Germans to come to Canada on some form of settlement scheme, and only a short time ago were actually advertising in German papers.

What has brought this up at this _ time is that the soldier settlement board has just sold a property to a German, and the veterans in particular are very much up in arms about it.

I should be glad if the minister would turn his attention to this question of the salvaged soldier settlement board lands. Of course, he cannot be responsible for incoming Germans who take up other lands, but I want to draw the minister's attention to this objection raised by the reeve of a municipality.

Topic:   GOLD CLAUSE OBLIGATIONS
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR DISCHARGE BT PAYMENT OF NOMINAL OR FACE AMOUNT
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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

I shall be glad to take into consideration the representations mads by the

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hon. member for Yale (Mr. Stirling). In the administration of soldier settlement I am informed that no settler is asked to leave his land unless he either refuses to pay anything or it or has no prospect whatever of making a success of it. Naturally there are cases of this kind. The department is dealing every day with repossessed lands, in some cases transferring them back to the municipalities, in others making a sale and salvaging as much as possible out of the land. I cannot speak with knowledge of the particular cases cited by my hon. friend, but I shall have inquiry made into them, and if my hon. friend wishes I shall be glad to have the director of soldier settlement send him a report dealing with the particular representations he has made.

Topic:   GOLD CLAUSE OBLIGATIONS
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR DISCHARGE BT PAYMENT OF NOMINAL OR FACE AMOUNT
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CON

Grote Stirling

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

I shall be glad if the minister will do that.

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Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR DISCHARGE BT PAYMENT OF NOMINAL OR FACE AMOUNT
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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

Many of the soldier settlers are taking advantage of the Farmers' Creditors Arrangement Act to arrange a composition of their debts, and they are being encouraged to do so. I do not know that there is anything I can add. I do not think there is much foundation for the statement that these lands are being sold to incoming German settlers.

Topic:   GOLD CLAUSE OBLIGATIONS
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR DISCHARGE BT PAYMENT OF NOMINAL OR FACE AMOUNT
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CON

Harry James Barber

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARBER:

How many soldier settlers were turned off their lands last year because of their inability to meet their payments or the conditions of their contracts?

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Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR DISCHARGE BT PAYMENT OF NOMINAL OR FACE AMOUNT
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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

I have not the actual number here, but I am informed it was quite small. A very large number of them are taking advantage of the Farmers' Creditors Arrangement Act to secure relief from what they consider too heavy a load.

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CON

Harry James Barber

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARBER:

I understand that the number in the lower mainland of British Columbia was considerable. I suppose the minister has not the figure?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

No, I have not.

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CON

Harry James Barber

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARBER:

The complaint is that much of the so-called salvaged land has been sold at prices less perhaps than what the soldier's balance of payments amounted to. The soldier settlers think it unfair that they should be put off the land and then have it handed over, in some cases, to foreigners at less than the amount the soldier owed.

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LIB

Thomas Reid

Liberal

Mr. REID:

What was the number of soldier settlers in British Columbia applying to come under the Farmers' Creditors Arrangement Act, and what amount was granted by way of reduction of their debts?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

I am informed that the total number of cases in British Columbia which were settled as of March 31, 1939, was 479. The total reduction was $868,990. There are pending cases, as of April 30, 1939, involving $232,452.

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CON

Harry James Barber

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARBER:

Has the minister taken into consideration the restoration of the dollar for dollar bonus which existed for a few years and was a considerable help to those who were far behind in their payments?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

No. No consideration has been given to that during the past year. The matter was fully discussed in this chamber a year ago, when the dollar for dollar privilege had terminated. Soldier settlers who were in difficulties were encouraged to secure an adjustment under the Farmers' Creditors Arrangement Act, which was a much more equitable way of dealing with their problem than the dollar for dollar bonus. As a matter of fact, the bonus was going to quite a considerable number of soldier settlers who were in a position to pay the amounts they owed, and while it was a great boon to them, very often it did not give sufficient assistance to men who were hopelessly behind. However, as my hon. friend will recall, that was fully discussed a year ago.

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CON

Harry James Barber

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARBER:

What were the total receipts from all soldier settlers during the last year as compared with the amount received the last year the bonus system was in effect?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

In the fiscal year 1937-38 the total receipts, in round numbers were $1,408,000; in 1938-39 they were $1,372,000. The figures show a drop of between $30,000 and $40,000, which I think is very creditable when one considers that conditions in the fiscal year 1938-39 were not nearly as good as they were in 1937-38.

Topic:   GOLD CLAUSE OBLIGATIONS
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR DISCHARGE BT PAYMENT OF NOMINAL OR FACE AMOUNT
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SC

Robert Fair

Social Credit

Mr. FAIR:

What percentage of the soldier settlers made their payments for last year?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

I am not certain that we have that information.

Topic:   GOLD CLAUSE OBLIGATIONS
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SC

Robert Fair

Social Credit

Mr. FAIR:

Does the minister have the number of those who were able to make payments?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

I am afraid I have not that information here.

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Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR DISCHARGE BT PAYMENT OF NOMINAL OR FACE AMOUNT
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SC

Robert Fair

Social Credit

Mr. FAIR:

What percentage of the original soldier settlers are still occupying their lands and still in debt to the settlement board?

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Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR DISCHARGE BT PAYMENT OF NOMINAL OR FACE AMOUNT
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May 30, 1939