May 30, 1939

CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

The minister is too

modest; that is the trouble with him.

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

Yes. Modesty is always

a becoming virtue. Twenty-six of them have been deported, and I am told there are a few cases now before the court, and some appeals pending. Sooner or later, I expect, most of them will be picked up.

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Item agreed to. Lands, parks and forests branch-National parks bureau. 518. Forest conservation, $200,000.


IND

James Samuel Taylor

Independent

Mr. TAYLOR (Nanaimo):

Just what is

being done about these forest services?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

This corresponds with a

similar amount last year. It provides for studies of the soundest methods of forest conservation and development which are carried on in the national parks and in the dominion forestry experimental stations. We have five forestry stations-one each in New Brunswick, Quebec, Ontario, Manitoba ahd Alberta-at which a constant study is made of the best conditions under which growth can be secured, and the most effective methods of protecting against fire. A considerable amount of work has been done, notably at the Ontario station at Petawawa, to examine into fire hazards in our forests. The examination is carried out scientifically, and. as a result, lumbering companies and pulp and paper companies which have forest assets in Ontario or Quebec can

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secure accurate data as to the conditions under which fire is most likely to occur, and, of course, can take steps to guard against it. At a period when fire hazards are extremely high, more precautions must be taken. In a general way this describes the work which is being carried on under this vote. I should say also that similar work is being carried on in several of the national parks.

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IND

James Samuel Taylor

Independent

Mr. TAYLOR (Nanaimo):

How close is the liaison between the federal department and the various provinces in their control of their own forests?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

All the data we collect from these investigations and studies are published and are available to the provincial authorities and to private owners of wood-lots or timber everywhere in Canada.

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CON

William Kemble Esling

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ESLING:

Is any portion of this item to be expended in British Columbia, or is it entirely absorbed within the national parks area?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

No part of this vote is appropriated for British Columbia. There is not, so far, an experimental forest station under federal control in British Columbia.

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IND

Alan Webster Neill

Independent

Mr. NEILL:

Why not? It is the banner lumber province of the dominion. Why has it not some look-in on that vote?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

I do not know that I can give any special reason for that. I am advised that there has been some difference of opinion as between the forestry officials in the lands, parks and forests branch of the federal government and the authorities in British Columbia as to the area which might be secured and the amount of control which might be exercised over it. I may say that on the western side of British Columbia the fire hazard is less than in the eastern provinces.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

Oh, be careful!

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

Maybe I have stepped into trouble there.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

Angels rushing in! That is not so, outside of a few spots.

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CON

Grote Stirling

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

Try the interior.

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

I confess that perhaps I have not accurately informed myself on that point.

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IND

Alan Webster Neill

Independent

Mr. NEILL:

Last year there was a fire on Vancouver island which became of almost national importance in that it threatened to devastate the island from one end to the other. It was only the grace of God and a

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thunderstorm that saved the situation. It was really very serious. Hundreds, yes thousands, of men were hurried out in an endeavour to check it. Apart from that, it runs in my mind that many years ago the dominion government set apart for this purpose a reserve, which I believe was in Thurlow island or one of the islands north of the upper gulf of Georgia. There was some correspondence about it between the minister's department and the province. I have the idea that the dominion government made an offer to the province either to yield their rights to the province, it being an island peculiarly suitable for experiments of the kind, or to take it over from the province. Has the minister any knowledge on that subject? I believe it was a location on Thurlow Mand, in fact I am sure it was.

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

At one time there were some discussions about the federal government securing control for experimental work, but the matter did not proceed, I understand, beyond the discussion stage. The department maintains at Vancouver a forest products laboratory upon which approximately $35,000 a year is spent. It is for the study of the forest woods produced in British Columbia and how they can be most efficiently used.

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IND

Alan Webster Neill

Independent

Mr. NEILL:

That refers only to the tensile strength of the various woods and such matters, and is entirely removed from any suggestion of reforestation. It has nothing whatever to do with any consideration of the basic question of renewing the forests which are being rapidly depleted. That is the largest lumber producing part of Canada; it is known as the last great stand of Douglas fir. I suggest that the time has come when we should look to the future. The province is carrying out experiments in the planting of young trees, and some of the logging companies have been enterprising enough to set out two or three hundred acres at a cost of about $1.50 an acre. Young trees are being grown in a nursery near New Westminster and they are set out on this land, of which there is a good deal which is fit for nothing but forestry experimentation. The land is lying idle and there is nothing but scrub bush growing on it. The minister says he does not know of any reason why they should not engage in this work. Can he suggest any reason why this government should not do something in the matter? I suggest that he make a note of it and give it his consideration.

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

The British Columbia

government have for years been carrying on, and as a matter of fact they are now carrying

on, experimental work under provincial direction similar to the work that is being done in the federal field. To what extent their activities go I confess I am not in a position to say. I shall be glad to make a note of my hon. friend's suggestion. Generally speaking, across the whole country, we should be giving greater study to the preservation of our forest wealth, to afforestation, and reforestation in areas that have been cut over; but it boils down to a question of funds with which to carry on the work. Our forests, of course, are a great national asset and should be dealt with in a large national way.

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May 30, 1939