May 29, 1939

LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD:

Because the bill is clear enough as it is, and there is no need to do it.

Topic:   SALT FISH BOARD
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR INVESTIGATION OF MARKETING AND ASSISTANCE TO PRODUCERS FOR EXPORT
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LIB

Vincent-Joseph Pottier

Liberal

Mr. POTTIER:

I cannot let the remarks of the hon. member for Peace River (Mr. Pelletier) pass without comment. There is only one thing that is quite plain from his remarks, that is that he knows nothing about the fishing industry. He may qualify as a fish seller, but only from the way he exaggerates and brings in pictures which do not exist as far as the fishing industry is concerned, that is all. This morning he wept over this legislation because we were trying to sacrifice the Newfoundland fishermen. He told us we should not bonus our fishermen because it would mean the sacrifice of the Newfoundland fishermen. It was a terrible thing that we were going to put him out of business. Now this afternoon he comes and says that we must do more for the fishermen of the maritimes, that we must be ready to sacrifice the Newfoundland fishermen. I am sorry, but I cannot follow him at all.

Topic:   SALT FISH BOARD
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR INVESTIGATION OF MARKETING AND ASSISTANCE TO PRODUCERS FOR EXPORT
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CON

Louis Côté

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. COTE (Translation):

Mr. Chairman, may I ask the minister this question: Under the bill, what would happen if a fisherman or cooperative group of fishermen who have received from the board an advance for the export of salt fish were to market this fish in Canada? What would happen to the advance?

Topic:   SALT FISH BOARD
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR INVESTIGATION OF MARKETING AND ASSISTANCE TO PRODUCERS FOR EXPORT
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LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD (Translation):

The fisherman would have to refund to the board any advance, received for the export of this fish; the cooperative group would be in the same position.

Section as amended agreed to.

On section 7-Advances.

Topic:   SALT FISH BOARD
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR INVESTIGATION OF MARKETING AND ASSISTANCE TO PRODUCERS FOR EXPORT
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LIB

Maurice Brasset

Liberal

Mr. BRASSET:

Mr. Chairman, the great need in the fishing industry to-day is an expansion of exporting. There are several cars of codfish in the county of Gaspe to-day ready for export, but the exporters have not been able to sell them. Efforts have been made to dispose of this fish on the New York, market, but up to last week they have been unsuccessful. I spoke about this to the Minister of Fisheries (Mr. Michaud) and also* to the Minister of Trade and Commerce (Mr. Euler), and I was told that efforts would be made to find a market. Some time ago, along with the hon. member for Bona venture (Mr. Cote), I went to see the minister about this matter. At that time he told us he was preparing this present bill and we had the opportunity to discuss it with him. I told him. that I thought it was a good bill, because it indicated an effort to find markets for our fish.

In answer to the hon. member for Halifax (Mr. Finn), let me say that his great concern for the fishermen is all right, but if the exporter is helped so that he is able to export more fish, the fishermen will be helped in the end. There are a few exporters in my constituency. When they cannot export fish or when there is no prospect of their being able to export, they cannot offer a fair price-to the fishermen. Unfortunately this year there were no prospects whatever and the result has been that the fishermen are doing no fishing. If there were any prospects of their being able to export, the exporters would be prepared to buy fish from the fishermen and' the industry would be in much better condition. Instead of obstructing this bill, I think we should all make an effort to have it passed' at the earliest possible moment in order that this board may go ahead with its work. I hope the minister will give some thought to the fishermen of Quebec. There is a considerable fishing industry in that province, and I think one of the members of this board should' be either from Bonaventure or from Gaspe.

Topic:   SALT FISH BOARD
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR INVESTIGATION OF MARKETING AND ASSISTANCE TO PRODUCERS FOR EXPORT
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Section agreed to. On section 8-Advisory committees.


LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD:

I have an amendment to-suggest to this section, as follows:

Section 8 is amended by striking out subsection 1 and substituting the following:

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This amendment will reduce the number from five to three, and give a majority on the board to the fishermen-producers.

Topic:   SALT FISH BOARD
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR INVESTIGATION OF MARKETING AND ASSISTANCE TO PRODUCERS FOR EXPORT
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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

I move accordingly.

Topic:   SALT FISH BOARD
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR INVESTIGATION OF MARKETING AND ASSISTANCE TO PRODUCERS FOR EXPORT
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LIB

Robert Emmett Finn

Liberal

Mr. FINN:

This amendment does not provide that the representatives on the committee shall be fishermen. It simply states that they shall represent the fishermen-producers.

Topic:   SALT FISH BOARD
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR INVESTIGATION OF MARKETING AND ASSISTANCE TO PRODUCERS FOR EXPORT
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LIB

Louis-Prudent-Alexandre Robichaud

Liberal

Mr. ROBICHAUD:

If they are satisfactory to the fishermen, what is wrong with that?

Topic:   SALT FISH BOARD
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR INVESTIGATION OF MARKETING AND ASSISTANCE TO PRODUCERS FOR EXPORT
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LIB

Robert Emmett Finn

Liberal

Mr. FINN:

This does not indicate that the fishermen will be consulted. When I first read the amendment I thought that two members were to be bona fide fishermen while the other was to be a bona fide exporter, but now I see that two members are simply to represent the fishermen. I do not know whether that is the intention of the minister or whether it is just a slip.

Topic:   SALT FISH BOARD
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR INVESTIGATION OF MARKETING AND ASSISTANCE TO PRODUCERS FOR EXPORT
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LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD:

It is the intention to have actual fishermen as members of these committees, but it may be that they would prefer to be represented by other persons who are not actually pulling fish out of the water. My hon friend knows that along a large section of the Atlantic coast in the last three years the department has been organizing the fishermen into study and cooperative groups. In many cases these groups ask to be represented by some educated person who is not actually a fisherman. The amendment is suggested for the purpose of permitting the fishermen to designate such a person to represent them.

Topic:   SALT FISH BOARD
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR INVESTIGATION OF MARKETING AND ASSISTANCE TO PRODUCERS FOR EXPORT
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LIB

Robert Emmett Finn

Liberal

Mr. FINN:

I am perfectly satisfied.

Topic:   SALT FISH BOARD
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR INVESTIGATION OF MARKETING AND ASSISTANCE TO PRODUCERS FOR EXPORT
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IND

Alan Webster Neill

Independent

Mr. NEILL:

I agree with the minister in that regard. I do not think it could be confined to fishermen, because, as he has suggested, they might want to put forward someone who rvas not actually a fisherman. That would indicate that they had some voice in the selection of the men, whereas the board is going to appoint them. The board does not say that it will consult the fishermen. Will the minister give us such an assurance?

Topic:   SALT FISH BOARD
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR INVESTIGATION OF MARKETING AND ASSISTANCE TO PRODUCERS FOR EXPORT
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LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD:

I need not give any such assurance; it ought to be taken for granted. There would be no necessity for this section if it were not for the purpose of giving representation and a voice to those vitally interested.

Topic:   SALT FISH BOARD
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR INVESTIGATION OF MARKETING AND ASSISTANCE TO PRODUCERS FOR EXPORT
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Amendment agreed to. Section as amended agreed to. Sections 9 and 10 agreed to. On section 11-Regulations


LIB

Louis-Prudent-Alexandre Robichaud

Liberal

Mr. ROBICHAUD:

I suppos it is the intention that the regulations shall be published in the Canada Gazette?

Topic:   SALT FISH BOARD
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR INVESTIGATION OF MARKETING AND ASSISTANCE TO PRODUCERS FOR EXPORT
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LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD:

Yes.

Topic:   SALT FISH BOARD
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR INVESTIGATION OF MARKETING AND ASSISTANCE TO PRODUCERS FOR EXPORT
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LIB

Louis-Prudent-Alexandre Robichaud

Liberal

Mr. ROBICHAUD:

Subsection 2 does not. say they will be published, but only that they shall take effect from the date of such publication.

Topic:   SALT FISH BOARD
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR INVESTIGATION OF MARKETING AND ASSISTANCE TO PRODUCERS FOR EXPORT
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LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD:

My hon. friend may rest assured that if the governor in council takes the responsibility of making regulations, he will see that they take effect.

Topic:   SALT FISH BOARD
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR INVESTIGATION OF MARKETING AND ASSISTANCE TO PRODUCERS FOR EXPORT
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May 29, 1939