May 23, 1939

CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

How much was spent last year on overhead and on projects?

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Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Grants, $85,750; salaries and staff, $41,252. Of course that is all outside the department; there is no departmental staff included in that. These people are not employees of my department, they are all employees of these committees; all we do is pay them.

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CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

That includes employees in the different centres?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Yes, employees of the honorary committees, secretaries, stenographers and clerical assistants of the committees in the different centres.

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CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

How many employees are there on that payroll?

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Mr. POV ER@

There are two in Halifax, one in Charlottetown, three in Montreal, four in. Toronto, two in Hamilton, two in London, two in Windsor, two in Winnipeg, two in Regina, two in Calgary, two in Edmonton and three in Vancouver.

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CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

The situation is that these projects are not likely to bring about the employment of many more men in the coming year than were employed in the past year; is that correct?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

It depends largely on the

efforts of the individual committees and the zeal and activity of the secretaries. If the opportunities present themselves I have no doubt these men will be able to find employment for a large number of people. I have not the figures before me, but I was astonished at the number of men employed, for example, in Charlottetown, where one would not expect it. They found work for men on road work, provincial works and federal government works, in agriculture and on the railways. So that although we may not actually have projects, the value of these committees lies in the fact that there is someone who can look for work for returned men and do nothing else.

Mr. MaoNEIL: Has the minister a record of those who secured permanent employment and casual employment through the committees last year?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

There were about twenty

thousand placements, of which about four thousand were permanent. Yes, I have it here; April, 1937, to March 31, 1939: permanent, 3,710. temporary, 6,443; casual, 12,367; total, 22,520.

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CCF

Charles Grant MacNeil

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacNEIL:

Is there any break-down

for the activities of the last fiscal year?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Permanent, 1,329; temporary, 1,566; casual, 7,258; total, 10,153.

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LIB

Donald Alexander McNiven

Liberal

Mr. McNIVEN:

Is any part of that money of which the minister spoke a moment ago to be devoted to the land settlement scheme or assistance to veterans in market gardens or projects of that kind?

The minister was good enough to mention what had been accomplished in Regina. The honorary committee there, composed, as the minister stated, of business men, has devoted a great deal of time to this work and has done excellent work. Likewise the secretary of the committee, Mr. Lamont, has done his work in an excellent manner. In recognition

of the work that has been so well done by the committee there, would the minister be so good as to place on record what has actually been accomplished for the veterans at that point?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

The chief activity of the

T eterans orkshops Limited, Regina, has been what might be termed salvage operations; that is, the demolishing of old buildings and the sale of the material so salvaged for building operations. In addition, the workshop has been doing quite a satisfactory business in building garages, small cottages, grain boxes, kitchen tables, et cetera.

The financial report of the workshops for the year ending August 27, 1938, reflects the fact that they made a small net profit during their year's operation and that their current assets at that time totalled $12,000; or, in other words, a sum almost equivalent to the funds advanced by the government in the way of grants, which totaled $15,000.

Wages paid during the year to veterans amounted to $14,000, there having been approximately seventeen permanent employees in the workshops, and casual employment was given during the year to some two hundred odd veterans.

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CCF

Charles Grant MacNeil

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacNEIL:

Is any part of this vote

to be set aside for tools, equipment, transportation, repayment fund, under the vote for projects?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

That is under the $85,000.

It was not used to any extent.

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CCF

Charles Grant MacNeil

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacNEIL:

How much would be set

aside for that fund?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

We have not allotted any specific sum, because unexpectedly there really was very little demand; the honorary committees did not find that they could use the money we gave them. Last year it amounted to a mere bagatelle.

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CCF

Charles Grant MacNeil

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacNEIL:

What was the number of loans granted during the last fiscal year?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

At the end of December, 1938, from the appropriation of $1,000 to provide tools and equipment, the sum of $278 was outstanding on equipment repayment account and $130 on transportation repayment account. The total unexpended balance is $590. From this it will be seen that a comparatively small amount was expended, but it has been the means of assisting some veterans to secure employment which otherwise they might not have had.

_ Mr. McNIVEN: The Regina committee has given a good deal of thought to a land settlement scheme, and also to establishing certain

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veterans as market gardeners. Would the minister favourably consider such a scheme if recommended by the honorary committee, or is there some other method of approach?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

I would suggest to the honorary committee that it had better study any such scheme very carefully, because I am not yet convinced that those which have been started elsewhere will be a great success. But if they have made a thorough study of it and are convinced that they have something which will be of value to the returned men and not merely another project for the sake of calling it a project, it will get the very best consideration we can give. We will have the money for it, but I doubt if the department will be inclined to go into any such scheme unless it is pretty well convinced that the scheme has a fair chance of success.

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May 23, 1939