May 23, 1939

CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

The minister assured us last night that on this item we could bring up some of the other items which were passed while several hon. members were away in the public accounts committee. Can he tell me why the vote for probational training, item 236, has been reduced from $120,000 last year to $70,000 this year?

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Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Largely because the $120,000 was not all expended. Last year only $39,477.44 was expended, so that we had an unexpended balance of $80,522.56.

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CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

How much of that $39,000 was paid in salaries?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Does my hon. friend mean salaries of officials of the department? None. That is entirely devoted to payments of wages in connection with probational training.

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Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

I take it there is no extension of plans for the coming year in the probational training scheme.

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

As a matter of fact Toronto has taken on probational training with new zeal and seems to be achieving considerably more success than in former years. It is left to a large extent to the voluntary committees composed of business men in each of the larger centres. In Toronto they are pushing it quite energetically and are having great success. In other centres the committees have perhaps not taken it so seriously, but we believe we have sufficient money in the vote to cover the requirements. The sum of over $80,000 was unexpended last year, and we saw no necessity for asking for any more than we could spend.

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Charles Grant MacNeil

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacNEIL:

This is a project that should receive the endorsation of the committee. The work conducted under this scheme has proved a highly satisfactory approach for many a man to employment that may be regarded as permanent. I was going to urge upon the minister the desirability of the department assuming some leadership in connection with the work of local honorary committees, especially in view of the fact that results have .been so beneficial where the work has been efficiently promoted. Could the minister explain why, seeing that there were so many men seeking the advantages of the scheme, it was not more generally applied in the last year?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

There is no desire to curtail it. In 1938-39 the vote was $120,000, of which $80,000 was unexpended and this year we are

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asking for $70,000. There is no intention of curtailing expenditures, but what is the use of asking for more than we believe will be spent? The work is an effort on the part of committees of businessmen throughout the country, and we do not interfere with them in any way except to give them every possible encouragement. We give them grants to advertise in the newspapers if they wish to impress upon returned men that they should try to get jobs, and to inform employers of labour that returned men are willing to take jobs. We place every facility at their disposal. We have a staff in each large city. If we are not going to spend1 the money, however, I do not see any sense in asking for more than we require.

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Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

Is the situation fairly summarized when one says that outside Toronto the probational training scheme has pretty well petered out?

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Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

No, I would not say that. I will give the figures for all Canada, from May, 1937, to March 31, 1939. In Montreal 100 commenced, and 18 discontinued; employed as trained, 34, and employed elsewhere, 2; tourist guides, 45; not retained by employer, 1. In Halifax 120 commenced, and 10 discontinued; employed as trained, 80. I need not give the whole line for the rest:

Employed Commenced as trained

Charlottetown

Ottawa

Toronto.. ..

Hamilton.. . London.. .. Windsor.. .. Winnipeg.. .

Regina

Edmonton.. . Calgary.. .. Vancouver.. . Saint John..

2 2

35 23

440 231

47 31

14 10

7 5

84 66

9 8

4 4

23 19

72 49

1 1

The total of those who commenced is 958, of whom 149 discontinued and 563 obtained employment as trained.

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CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

What is the total under training now?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

One hundred and seven.

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CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

Another vote I wish the

minister would explain is item 241 dealing with the continuation of projects for work for these unemployed veterans. This year the vote is continued at the same figure as last year, namely, $150,000. How is that vote to be split up?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

We have not yet come to any definite conclusion this year.^ Some projects have been submitted. I think there is

only one being considered at the moment; it is a project for further land settlement on small holdings in Winnipeg. In Vancouver there are several projects, to some of which certain moneys have been allotted, but they have not yet been put into operation. One of them is in connection with auto parking. I think $5,000 was allotted to the Vancouver honorary committee; and so far as I know, they have not yet spent it. We have set aside $85,000 for projects and schemes this year, of which amount I would say offhand $20,000 would go to Montreal workshops, some to the corps of commissionaires, some to Regina where they have been very successful, perhaps some to Moose Jaw where they are carrying on something in the line of workshops; Windsor may require further assistance, and possibly Toronto may require some in connection with their advertising scheme. So far as Toronto is concerned, I do not know of any project which they have immediately under consideration, at least they have not submitted any to me other than the continuation of their advertising campaign.

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Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

Then there is only the one new project in prospect now for the whole of Canada?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

That is all that has been submitted to us. It is about this time of year that the committees submit their projects. They can do so at any time, but generally speaking they seem to become more active just about now, have more meetings of their committees and decide on the projects which they support.

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CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

Apparently the vote for

projects is $85,000?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

About that.

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CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

And the vote for overhead, paying help and so on, is $65,000?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Approximately.

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May 23, 1939