May 18, 1939


Motion agreed to.


CON

Frank Exton Lennard

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LENNARD:

Is all the clothing made in Canada?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

Yes.

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CON

Frank Exton Lennard

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LENNARD:

Although boots do not come under this item, will they be made in Canada?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

Yes.

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Item agreed to. Militia services-Inspection of stores, arms and ammunition- 181. Chargeable to ordinary account, $169,522.


CCF

Charles Grant MacNeil

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacNEIL:

What is the method of

inspection of ammunition manufactured outside the arsenals? Who is responsible and what is the procedure of inspection?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

We have an officer, the chief inspector of arms and ammunition, Colonel Howard, whose duty is to inspect all ammunition whether made in our own arsenals or by any other source of supply.

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Item agreed to. Militia services-Mechanical and water transport- 181i. Chargeable to ordinary account, $120,971.


CCF

Charles Grant MacNeil

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacNEIL:

WThat type of water transport is being procured?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

There

is an increase in capital account of $8,000, and a total increase of $50,000 on both 71492-2691

accounts. A motor boat is required to supplement existing water transportation facilities between Halifax, the airport at Dartmouth and the outforts generally.

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Item agreed to. Militia services. 186. Non-permanent active militia, $2,830,488.


CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

What steps are being taken by the department to encourage recruiting? In his statement the other day the minister said that the turnover in recruits was very discouraging. Have any steps been taken by the department to remedy that situation? Also would it not be possible to provide for the recruiting of the Pacific coast units, at least, up to their peace time strength in view of the statement by the brigade commander at Vancouver that the forces were less than one-third the number required to man the forts?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

In reply to my hon. friend's last question, it would depend on the total vote made available for the non-permanent active militia. In reply to the first part of his question, steps were taken last year and have been taken this year by appealing, first, to various departments of the federal government, second, to provincial governments, and third, to all industrial concerns of the dominion to facilitate so far as possible the granting of leave with pay to members of their staffs who are in the non-permanent active militia. The response to that appeal last year and this has been most encouraging. Employers of labour have shown a wonderful spirit of cooperation.

There were two complaints in the past, which are both being remedied through the present estimates; one with regard to the old shoddy uniforms that have been issued since the war, and the other in reference to boots. These are being remedied. There is an amount here for $100,000 to provide boots for the non-permanent active militia for training purposes in camp and for drill purposes in the winter. The boots are a free issue under certain conditions to the members of the militia and will probably last the men two or three years.

To recapitulate, there has been cooperation with industry and with provincial govern-, ments; better uniforms will be provided, there will be a free issue of boots to the members of the militia, and lastly the support of public opinion is greater to-day than ever before in the history of the country.

Supply-National Defence

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CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

What provision is being

made for increasing the training pay. I understand that the men are not paid at all for the drill they do in winter; that they get paid only during camp training in the summer. Different officers of the units have told me that some of the men could not afford to pay carfare and all that sort of thing, and provision should be made for at least their expenses.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

I know the situation to which my hon. friend refers. There has been some amount of dissatisfaction as a result of changes made in the training plans last year with reference to the allocation of pay for militia units. A financial obligation was placed upon certain units as a consequence of increasing the amount of camp training. In regard to the situation generally, the supplementary estimates provide for an increased vote this year of $100,000 for the non-ipermanent active militia, which will be the largest amount ever appropriated for that purpose. That vote will be divided into $65,000 for additional training, and $35,000 for clerical help in the orderly rooms, for which the units have been asking over a number of years.

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CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

Is the vote for the nonpermanent militia this year sufficiently large to enable the units on the Pacific coast to be recruited up to peace-time strength?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

That is a question on which I should not like to be specific. Naturally to raise all the units up to peace-time establishment the vote would have to be substantially larger.

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LIB

William Pate Mulock

Liberal

Mr. MULOCK:

Many militia officers

holding responsible positions in their units have great difficulty in getting leave, particularly at time of camp. I suggest that consideration be given to that point, because no doubt some other hon. members have had representations made to them with regard to it. If these men go to camp they lose the opportunity of spending their holidays or any part of their holidays with their families. I believe some consideration might be given in these cases; possibly arrangements could be worked out with different departments of government.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

I wrote personally to all my colleagues with regard to the point the hon. member has just raised.

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May 18, 1939