May 18, 1939

CON

Thomas Langton Church

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHURCH:

I am not going to be

ruled out like that. I move that the committee rise in order that we may get the ruling of the Speaker. I rise to a point of order.

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Frederick George Sanderson (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

Order. Will the hon. member resume his seat.

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CON

Thomas Langton Church

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHURCH:

No. Mr. Chairman-

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LIB

Frederick George Sanderson (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

Order.

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CON

Thomas Langton Church

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHURCH:

You cannot order me to sit down like that. I move that the committee rise. Under the rules of the house the committee must rise and the Speaker must decide the point of order. -

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LIB

Frederick George Sanderson (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

If the hon. member will resume his seat for a moment-

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CON

Thomas Langton Church

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHURCH:

I rise to a point of order.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Sit down.

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CON

Thomas Langton Church

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHURCH:

I have a right under the rules of the house to appeal.

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LIB

Frederick George Sanderson (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

Will the hon. member please sit down?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

Perhaps I might say a word. I believe the understanding was that there would be a general debate on the question of policy on the first item, and as far as possible those who were not present on the former occasion were to be allowed to discuss that question. There was general consent both last year and this year to a general discussion of policy on the first item called. I think we will proceed now with the discussion of the item.

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CON

Thomas Langton Church

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHURCH:

I am satisfied. I was just about through, anyway, if the chairman had given me a chance. I am not going to have him overrule me like that.

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LIB

Frederick George Sanderson (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

Order. Shall the item carry?

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CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

What anti-aircraft units and searchlight units are there in Canada to-day? And what provision is being made for additional units? I understand that there are no anti-aircraft units at all on the Pacific coast at the present time.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

This

matter is just in process of reorganization at the present moment, in regard to both searchlights and anti-aircraft units, and it is hoped 'hat there will be these new units on both coasts in the early future.

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CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

Are there any anti-aircraft units on either coast at the present time?

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John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNIOOL:

I do not think the minister should answer that.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

Not all the intended ones.

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CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

The other day I asked the minister how long it would take to put a division of our troops into the field in the event of trouble. Will the minister answer that question to-day?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

I repeat what I said the other day, and I cannot add to my answer. It would depend entirely on what division was called out. A division could be placed in the field over night for the purpose of protecting vulnerable points, but

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for other purposes it might take considerably longer. Only a general answer can be made to a question of that kind; I cannot be specific.

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May 18, 1939