They are shipping high quality lathes to be used in the production of shells. These pieces of machinery are so fine they can be operated by a sixteen-year
old girl. The British government has placed several different orders for these machines, and I believe the Australian government has done likewise. I suppose that machinery would be installed in the private plants about which we have heard. I doubt very much if a government plant would initiate the production of such machinery, because, as some one has pointed out, the profit a private company may get through initiation and development provides an incentive which is not found in the government plant. There is not the same incentive in a government plant to develop or invent.
After we have provided for the defence of our own eastern and western frontiers I believe the government plants could take care of the regular wear and tear and maintain the equipment already built. As I see the problem, cooperation between both suggested plans would ensure the use of our government arsenals to the limit. If necessary we may increase their size, but we should also invite private manufacturers to compete, produce and invent.
Some one has spoken about the plants of the Canadian National Railways. I realize these are first class plants, and that during the war they turned out necessary equipment. I believe shells or munitions of some kind were made in them. Many of the machines used in the plants of the Canadian National Railways were made in Dundas, Ontario. I saw the machines on the floor, ready for shipment and installation. They were manufactured in one of the finest plants on this continent, that of John Bertram and Sons Company, Limited, whose plant is in the constituency of Wentworth. As many as 3,000 men have been employed there at one time. They are inventors; they initiate and produce, and they could supply gun machines required by the government, if they were furnished with blueprints outlining what is desired. I know, too, that there are some first class manufacturing establishments in Brantford. I am familiar with those plants, having been connected with the manufacture of iron and steel products for a great part of my life. Then, in the constituency of Hamilton West-