May 15, 1939

LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

I understood my hon. friend to say that this wheat could go out at the minimum.

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CON

James J. Donnelly

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DONNELLY:

The wheat has to come down and is graded into the elevators at Fort William.

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

It must be of export standard, 75 per cent average and 25 per cent minimum.

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CON

James J. Donnelly

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DONNELLY:

It goes to Fort William. Mr. EULER: That is the present act.

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CON

James J. Donnelly

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DONNELLY:

The present act has

been changed to that.

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LIB

Harry Leader

Liberal

Mr. LEADER:

Mr. Chairman, I want to speak for only a few moments in regard to the question before the committee. I certainly would not want to place any obstruction in the way of the milling industry of Canada because that industry forms a valuable part of the industrial life of this country and is no doubt an asset to Canada. But I should like to say a word with regard to mixing. I was a member of the committee, and I took a stand against opening the door to allow mixing of any kind in connection with our four top grades. It is true that the majority of the committee was against this, but I voted against mixing. I took the stand that it was a retrograde step. We grade every other farm product and try to put something on the market a little better than our competitors, but we except wheat. For the life of me I cannot understand why we should except this main product of our agriculturists. Nature has endowed us with advantages over every other wheat producing country, and we are able to produce the most highly sought after product in the world. Yet we allow our top grades to be adulterated with inferior grades, and this seems to me to be standing in our own light.

As the hon. member for Wood Mountain (Mr. Donnelly) has said, we allow the United States millers to come over here and skim off our high protein content wheat. The Canadian millers are allowed to do likewise. I do not want to take away any legitimate advantages from the milling companies of Canada, but the fact is that this practice is hurting

the standard of our grain in the old country which, after all, is one of our most important markets. They know these practices are occurring in this country and they know they are playing second fiddle to the millers of Canada and the United States. We cannot fool them. Our best grades are being skimmed off. The board of grain commissioners are allowing the terminal elevators to take tough grades of wheat to mix with the drier grades, and there is no doubt in my mind that the standard is being lowered. The old country millers know this, and this is hurting our market.

I want to say something to-night about how we suffer in western Canada because of a lack of industries. This is one of our greatest handicaps. We have not industries such as they have in the east, which provide the eastern farmer with a market for his farm products.

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CON

John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

They have been killed by a free trade policy.

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LIB

Harry Leader

Liberal

Mr. LEADER:

At one time there were many flour mills scattered throughout western Canada. There were many small and large mills scattered throughout the three prairie provinces, but they are gradually being absorbed by the larger companies or closed down entirely. We are losing an industry which is native to that part of the country. The raw material is right at hand, and the cheapest power in the world is available as well as all kinds of labour, but what do we find? I should like to give one example of what happened in my own city of Portage la Prairie. The Lake of the Woods Milling Company opened a mill there forty-five years ago, with a capacity, I believe, of 1,000 barrels a day. This mill has been kept right up to date, but two years ago they decided to close it because their export sales had decreased. They found they could pay bigger dividends by closing up that mill and transferring the business to Ontario. Forty families in that city were thrown on their own resources. The ministerial association took up the matter and some families were placed on relief. I am willing to admit that a few employees were superannuated, but forty families had to be taken care of.

It seems to me that the government of Canada should not allow such practices to occur. Here was an industry which had been bonused or protected to the extent of 50 cents a barrel. They took the farmers' wheat, and ground it into flour. The flour was sent to Fort William, the farmer paying the freight. With that protection, it seems to me that an industry native to the district should be made to see that they owe something to the

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people of this country. They should not be allowed to continue to make large dividends and then, when times are slack, take it out of their employees. That is just what they did. I submit this government should say to the Lake of the Woods Milling Company, "You open that mill at Portage la Prairie or else we will expropriate it and sell or lease it to some cooperative company that will continue to operate with more regard for the people and less regard for dividends."

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

This change is made for the benefit of the inland millers, and I think is of value to the farmers and producers themselves. While the agriculture committee did not discuss this, while this amendment was proposed since then, we felt it would not do any possible harm. If we have any confidence at all in the board of grain commissioners, it would be perfectly safe to say " except by permission of the board." I am quite sure they would not abuse it; it is in the interests of the millers as well, and should be accepted.

Amendment (Mr. Ross, Moose Jaw)

agreed to.

Section as amended agreed to.

Sections 40 to 45 inclusive agreed to.

On section 46-Binning of tough with straight grades, as a means of drying.

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

It is thought the meaning

would be clearer if the word "could" in line 25, on page 12, of the bill were struck out and "would" substituted therefor.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

I move accordingly,

Mr. Chairman.

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Amendment agreed to. Section as amended agreed to. Sections 47 to 70 inclusive agreed to. Schedules 1 and 2 agreed to. On schedule 3.


LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

J move:

That forms 7 and_ 8 be amended by striking out the word "and" as and where it appears under the headings "fixed price" and "price depending on government grade" respectively, and substituting therefor the word "or" in each case.

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Amendment agreed to. Schedule as amended agreed to. Schedule 4 agreed to. Bill reported, read the third time and passed. On motion of Mr. Lapointe (Quebec East), the house adjourned at 10.59 p.m. Tuesday, May 16, 1939


May 15, 1939