May 9, 1939

CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. M. J. COLDWELL (Rosetown-Biggar):

Before we leave this question, I am going to make a suggestion, very briefly, and it is this. The hon. member for Vancouver East (Mr. Maelnnis) has mentioned the condition of the unemployed men and has suggested that some-

thing should be done for them during the royal visit. I should like to make this suggestion to the government. Throughout Canada there are a large number of families, including children, who will be interested in the royal visit. Many of the parents of these children are on relief, and I was going to suggest to the government that a fitting way of celebrating the coming of their majesties to this country would be to get into contact with the provinces and the municipalities with a view to giving these families some additional assistance during the time their majesties are passing through the districts where relief people live. We know that a large number of these families will be going to adjacent cities where stops are made by the royal train, and on these occasions it is necessary for the parents to take sandwiches and other food, to make some provision for the children. I recollect that in the old days when I was a boy in the old country at the time of the diamond jubilee of Queen Victoria and at the coronation of His Majesty King Edward VII, the children of the land were given a special treat to celebrate the occasion. It seems to me that with so much poverty and misery and with such a shortage of things which the children like, our Canadian children would appreciate something being done for them by the various governments to mark the coming of the king and queen.

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SC

Archibald Hugh Mitchell

Social Credit

Mr. MITCHELL:

Since it is nearly eleven o'clock I would ask the hon. member for Rosetown-Biggar (Mr. Coldwell) if he does not think it possible that these children might squander that allowance, as was declared by the relief administrator of Alberta with reference to the fifty cents given at Christmas?

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

I do not think there is much danger of that.

Motion agreed to and the house went into committee of supply, Mr. Sanderson in the chair.

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DEPARTMENT OP FISHERIES


80. Grants to fisheries exhibitions, in the amounts detailed in the estimates, $2,300.


IND

Alan Webster Neill

Independent

Mr. NEILL:

As this is the first occasion on which we are going into the estimates of the Minister of Fisheries this year, it might be appropriate to spend a minute or two at least in paying tribute to his deputy who has left the department since the last session.

Doctor Found served the government for forty years, beginning as a junior clerk and working his way up by his own ability and by devotion to his duties. He had a long and distinguished career-distinguished at least by

Supply-Fisheries

*constant attention to his duties and a record of creditable achievements. Doctor Found was, above all, a worker, and he was always at his desk, holiday or no holiday. He practically lived for the work in which he was *engaged. He was the prime mover in negotiating the halibut treaty with the United States, and was for a number of years a member of the board under that treaty, which has resulted in the rehabilitation of the halibut industry on the Pacific coast. Encouraged by that, he devoted much time and effort for long years to arranging a treaty with the United States in connection with the Fraser river situation, and it was due to him more than to any other man, living or dead, that this was finally achieved.

Doctor Found was in office when many other reforms were carried out. I am speaking more of the Pacific coast, with which I am familiar. He was at the head of the branch at the time when the policy of breaking up the individual monopolistic control was carried out-the system under which one company absolutely controlled a large tract of water and no man could put hook, line or net in it without their consent. He was also responsible for initiating many of the regulations for the conservation of the salmon industry.

Some years ago the university of New Brunswick conferred on him the degree of Doctor of Science in recognition of his distinguished services. Doctor Found always had a strong sense of loyalty to the officials of his department, both those above him and those under him. Possibly at times he was subject to criticism in carrying out or defending, from a sense of loyalty, policies which he himself might not personally have approved. In that regard I have often strongly and perhaps violently opposed him in the carrying out of policies or in the method whereby he himself carried them out, but in the seventeen years that I have come in contact with him in his personal capacity I have never known him to say a discourteous word to anyone or to do a discreditable act. I am sure the wishes of all the members of this house who came in contact with him go out to him in his retirement, in the hope that he may for many years enjoy a well-earned rest.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

Just a word on that. For the information of the hon. member, may I tell him that the gentleman to whom he has referred has been superannuated for cause at my own request, according to files that are

public. I will say no more now, but I regret very much that an example is not made of the wrongs done by former civil servants who have left the service for very good reasons. This is one instance in which I could say much more. I had the file for three months and I know something about the matter. I speak with knowledge, and I say that an example should be made of Mr. Found to indicate to the service that there should be no favouritism such as he has been guilty of. That is my point of view and I speak with knowledge. We have had enough of these compliments paid to unworthy civil servants.

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Leslie Gordon Bell

Mr. COLD WELL:

It seems to me that

the Minister of Fisheries should say something after the remarks just made.

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LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Fisheries)

Liberal

Hon. J. E. MICHAUD (Minister of Fisheries) :

The item stands.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE (Quebec East):

Item 275.

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CON

Denton Massey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MASSEY:

In view of the extraordinary remarks just made, and inasmuch as it is not yet eleven o'clock, I think the minister should make some statement before we take this item.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE (Quebec East):

It was

one minute to eleven o'clock, and we wanted, as I think it was reasonable to ask, to have two departments called. One has been called and we should like to have the Post Office Department called.

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CCF

James Shaver Woodsworth

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

How long is this

going to last?

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE (Quebec East):

One

second.

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CON

Denton Massey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MASSEY:

I am sure the right hon.

gentleman who is leading the house would not want Hansard to go across the country without any response from the Minister of Fisheries. I think he should make a brief statement.

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LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD:

It is one minute short of eleven o'clock. I believe there was an understanding that two departments should be called this evening, and in one minute it is not possible to make a statement of any value on the point.

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CON
LIB

Frederick George Sanderson (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN :

Order. The hon. member is out of order.

Electoral Matters

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CON
LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE (Quebec East):

Item 275.

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May 9, 1939