May 2, 1939


The house in committee of supply, Sir Eugene Fiset in the chair. Hon. CHARLES A. DUNNING (Minister of Finance): Mr. Chairman, the object of going into supply to-day is to enable the committee to deal with the supplementary estimates for the last fiscal year which have not yet passed the house. They were tabled quite a few weeks ago. It is necessary to deal with them now in order that a supply bill may be passed in connection therewith before May 15, to enable the necessary payments to be made on account of the last fiscal year. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE Marketing services. 457. Fruit and vegetable products-further amount required, $7,000.


CON

Norman James Macdonald Lockhart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LOCKHART:

May we have a little more detail as to this expenditure?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

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Item agreed to. Special. 458. To provide for outstanding claims in connection with material aid and agricultural assistance in the dried-out areas during the years 1936-37 and 1937-38, $225,056.43.


CON

Ernest Edward Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PERLEY:

Would the minister give us some information about this?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

This item is to provide for outstanding claims in connection with material aid and agricultural assistance in the dried-out areas during the years 1936-37 and 1937-38. These are amounts which were in dispute at the end of each of those seasons. The matter has been cleared up during the past year, and the necessary amounts to make these payments are now being voted. The first amount relates to a shipment of live stock, Saskatchewan, 1936-37, the balance due there is $1,581.26. Material aid in Saskatchewan for 1937-3S, expenditures under agreements in excess of amount made available at that time, $217,794.05. A shipment of live stock in Alberta, 1937-38-that is, the outward movement of live stock by large stock owners- approved for payment by treasury'' board February 14, 1939, $1,093.77. Direct relief, Alberta, 1937-38; expenditures incurred prior to April 1, 1938, but not submitted in time for payment, $4,587.35. That makes a total of $225,056.43.

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Item agreed to. Special. 459. To provide for feed and fodder relief in the province of Saskatchewan, purchased in 1937-38, but not distributed until after March 31, 1938, $790,350.77.


CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weyburn):

Is this feed purchased direct by the federal government or by the provincial government?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

All the feed and fodder was purchased by the provincial government, but payment was made by the federal government, in the relief areas of the west. This is to provide for feed and fodder relief in the province of Saskatchewan, purchased in 1937-38 but not distributed until after March 31, 1938. Therefore, under our agreement at that time we were not able to make that payment at that time, and the amount had to be voted during this past year in order to make the payment, and the agreement extended.

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CON

Frank Exton Lennard

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LENNARD:

Is this a revote?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

No.

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Item agreed to. Supply-Finance


DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE


J/GO. Departmental administration, further amount required, $5,000.


LIB
LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

It was due, Mr. Chairman, to an unusual increase in the cost of movement of copper and silver coins during the year in question. The movement went much further than was provided for, due I believe to the imposition in some provinces of a form of taxation which involved the use of more copper coins.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

I thank the minister, I

assumed it was for that. But would he be kind enough to tell the committee where we can find any information about the sale of gold or bullion? I have perused the report of the Bank of Canada and found nothing in it, and found nothing also in the public accounts for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1938.

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Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

The sale of gold? Of course the sale of gold does not arise under this item. I do not clearly understand my hon. friend's question as relating to the administration of the department. All gold produced in Canada is purchased by the royal mint, and is sold, and the proceeds, less mint charges and a charge for handling, are paid to the producers of the gold. I am not at all clear as to what, beyond that, my hon. friend wishes.

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René-Antoine Pelletier

Social Credit

Mr. PELLETIER:

For various reasons

there are at times large movements of gold from European countries to the north American continent, particularly to the United States, and in certain cases to Canada, for the sake of safety or for other reasons which are not known to us. Undoubtedly such large movements of gold must entail expenditure for protection. When gold is brought here from some other country, is Canada put to any expense in protecting it, and if so what would be the expenditures in that connection?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

Gold which is shipped from other countries for safe keeping here carries on our part a charge more than adequate to reimburse us for any expense; in fact there is no expense. It is no more expensive to guard the gold of other people along with our own gold than it is to guard our own gold considered alone. The Bank of Canada receives a charge for safe keeping of such gold; and when the chartered banks of Canada receive it, as they do in some cases, I can only assume that they also make a charge for the purpose.

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May 2, 1939