April 6, 1939

LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Yes, only the replacement of factories now in operation or the putting in of curing rooms in factories now in operation.

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CON

Thomas Alfred Thompson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. THOMPSON:

Will the amalgamating of these factories be left to the option of the

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owners of the factories, or will any pressure be brought to bear by the government to have them do this?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

I do not assume that any pressure will be brought to bear by the government. Of course the government would give some assistance in an advisory capacity and would lay down regulations as to what the nature of the construction would have to be in order to come within the terms of the legislation.

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CON

Thomas Alfred Thompson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. THOMPSON:

In regard to factories in eastern Ontario, with which I am most familiar, the great difficulty with regard to amalgamation is that our dairies are small. As a rule our farmers have not more than fifteen, twenty or twenty-five cows, and if the factories are amalgamated they would have to draw their milk for too great distances. If we amalgamate our factories and the areas become too large, the cost of drawing milk will be too great. That is the great difficulty in eastern Ontario, and that is why I ask if it will be left to the discretion of the owners of these factories to decide whether amalgamation would be convenient or whether it would pay them to join the factories together.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

It will be left entirely to their discretion as to whether that should be done. This is simply a means of persuading them to do it.

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CON

Thomas Alfred Thompson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. THOMPSON:

Exactly.

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CON

William Earl Rowe

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROWE (Dufferin-Simcoe):

It seems

difficult to arrive at an estimate of twenty or thirty thousand dollars with relation to the whole dominion.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

The hon. member means that he does not think that sum would cover the cost? Oh, no, thirty or forty thousand dollars would not cover all we are talking about; it would cover simply the changing of the rings for the forms for making the cheese, and that part of the equipment. The whole amount required for all we are talking about is estimated at about a quarter of a million dollars.

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CON

William Earl Rowe

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROWE (Dufferin-Simcoe):

This seems an extraordinary bill to add to the bonus- the opportunitjr for any and all cheese factories to start and remodel their plants, and almost to tear them down if they wish to rebuild them, with the government paying for the labour. I assume from the clause which the minister has read that it leaves a latitude wide enough to pay for all sorts of work so far as reconstruction of the cheese factories is concerned. I hope the minister has made some provision that the two cent bonus will be

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returned to the farmer and to the producer, if the cheese factory owners are to have an opportunity to remodel their plants in many instances where they are more or less obsolescent. I agree with the principle behind subsidies and bonuses for high-grade export products, but I have my doubts as to the effect of the wide and more or less reckless and haphazard policy which is being brought down at the present time. In one bill it not only gives us a two cent bonus, but allows every cheese factory in Canada to rebuild itself and receive from the dominion treasury dollar for dollar expended.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

I might explain the

matter in this way. The safeguard is the one mentioned by the hon. member for Lanark, that it is available only to cheese factories where there is amalgamation, and these amalgamations would come in only very few instances.

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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART:

The clause does not

say so.

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CON

William Earl Rowe

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROWE (Dufferin-Simcoe):

The clause which the minister read did not mention that it was confined to amalgamations.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Oh, yes, it says that there must be two or more of them amalgamated before the provision applies.

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CON

William Earl Rowe

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROWE (Dufferin-Simcoe):

Even so,

I think it is a very wide and sweeping bill. It seems to me that it benefits the cheese manufacturer more than it does the cheese industry at large. The whole principle of bonuses as suggested by the minister's recent references tends, perhaps, to cover a larger area and serve a smaller national purpose so far as getting high-class export products on the market, and I believe it will cost the treasury of this dominion colossal sums and will not serve the purpose which is intended.

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CON

David Spence

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPENCE:

But look at the votes it will get.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

I think these matters

will be more properly discussed when we have the bill before the house. If hon. members will allow the resolution to go forward, the matter can be discussed fully at that time.

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CON

Mark Cecil Senn

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SENN:

I do not want to delay the matter at all, but this is a very important bill; we have not had much chance to make a study of it, and I think that the minister might agree to, let the resolution stand.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

If I may be permitted to make Pie suggestion, I believe it will be much easier to study the bill if the committee will permit the legislation to go past the

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resolution stage. The bill is printed and copies can be had to-morrow morning by any who desire to get them. It can be studied during the recess and hon. members may be prepared to discuss it when they come back.

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CON

Mark Cecil Senn

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SENN:

Very well.

Resolution reported, read the second time and concurred in. Mr. Gardiner thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 88, to encourage the improvement of cheese and cheese factories.

Motion agreed to and bill read the first time.

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AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS

April 6, 1939