March 16, 1939

CON

Grote Stirling

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

That is worth considering, I think.

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Sub-subtopic:   CREATION OF DEFENCE PURCHASING BOARD TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS FOR MUNITIONS, EQUIPMENT, MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES
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LIB

Norman Alexander McLarty (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. McLARTY:

Would not paragraph (i) cover it if you reworded section 6 along the lines suggested?

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Sub-subtopic:   CREATION OF DEFENCE PURCHASING BOARD TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS FOR MUNITIONS, EQUIPMENT, MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES
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CON

Grote Stirling

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

I leave it to the minister, but I should have thought it would be a good thing to say in section 8 that the board shall have the duty of carrying out the inspection and can seek the assistance of technical officers in doing so.

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Sub-subtopic:   CREATION OF DEFENCE PURCHASING BOARD TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS FOR MUNITIONS, EQUIPMENT, MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES
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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

We will consider that, and if necessary reopen the section.

Paragraph (i) agreed to.

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Sub-subtopic:   CREATION OF DEFENCE PURCHASING BOARD TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS FOR MUNITIONS, EQUIPMENT, MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES
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Section agreed to. Section 9 agreed to. On section 10-Appointment or transfer of civil servants.


CON

John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

With reference to subsection 2, which refers to "a civil servant who, at the time of his appointment," does that mean a civil servant who has been transferred to the board from some other department?

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Sub-subtopic:   CREATION OF DEFENCE PURCHASING BOARD TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS FOR MUNITIONS, EQUIPMENT, MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES
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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

Yes.

Defence Purchasing Board

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Sub-subtopic:   CREATION OF DEFENCE PURCHASING BOARD TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS FOR MUNITIONS, EQUIPMENT, MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES
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CON

John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

How are all the other employees of the board to be selected?

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Sub-subtopic:   CREATION OF DEFENCE PURCHASING BOARD TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS FOR MUNITIONS, EQUIPMENT, MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES
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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

There is one clause dealing with the technical officers.

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Sub-subtopic:   CREATION OF DEFENCE PURCHASING BOARD TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS FOR MUNITIONS, EQUIPMENT, MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES
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CON

John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

I mean the large staff of accountants, investigators, and so forth.

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Sub-subtopic:   CREATION OF DEFENCE PURCHASING BOARD TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS FOR MUNITIONS, EQUIPMENT, MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES
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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

Except

for the technical officers, they will be seconded from the department or transferred from other departments, or, I presume, appointed by the civil service commission.

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Sub-subtopic:   CREATION OF DEFENCE PURCHASING BOARD TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS FOR MUNITIONS, EQUIPMENT, MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES
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Section agreed to. On section 11 - Appointment technical officers.


SC

John Charles Landeryou

Social Credit

Mr. LANDERYOU:

What technical officers would be employed by the board? Would not the board have the advantage of having available any of the officers of the department?

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Sub-subtopic:   CREATION OF DEFENCE PURCHASING BOARD TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS FOR MUNITIONS, EQUIPMENT, MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES
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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

Oh,

yes; and those officers with experience under the director of contracts would, I presume, be very valuable under the supervision of the board, but it might be necessary for the board on occasion to engage temporarily a technical officer outside. They might enter into a contract and suddenly need advice from a professional man, a lawyer or an accountant. and this section gives them the necessary authority.

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
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SC

John Charles Landeryou

Social Credit

Mr. LANDERYOU:

It was the technical

men I was more particularly interested in.

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Sub-subtopic:   CREATION OF DEFENCE PURCHASING BOARD TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS FOR MUNITIONS, EQUIPMENT, MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES
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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

This is

for exactly the same purpose.

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
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Section agreed to. Sections 12 to 16 inclusive agreed to. On section 17-Governor in council may borrow for capital expenditures.


SC

John Charles Landeryou

Social Credit

Mr. LANDERYOU:

Is the minister himself satisfied with the policy that is to be pursued of raising money for purposes of national defence as indicated by this clause? Is he in favour of this method?

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Sub-subtopic:   CREATION OF DEFENCE PURCHASING BOARD TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS FOR MUNITIONS, EQUIPMENT, MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES
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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

I must

be.

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Sub-subtopic:   CREATION OF DEFENCE PURCHASING BOARD TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS FOR MUNITIONS, EQUIPMENT, MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES
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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

This is,, of course, a very

important clause, and involves a radical departure from the usual procedure. I am not quite settled in my own mind as to whether it is a wise clause. The general idea of amortizing expenditures for defence may be novel and attractive and interesting from the point of view of inducing those who are opposed to this class of expenditure to swallow the pill a little less painfully. But when it comes down to real administration I have

very grave doubts of its value. Surely we ought to keep away from a statutory provision by which special borrowing can be done for one class of government activities. I do not like it at all. The first thing we know we shall have so many statutes-we have too many now-dealing with similar things affecting different branches of government that the result will be chaos. I sometimes think we ought to have a complete revision of all our statutes, eliminating a great many, and codifying the others. I do not want to block the passing of this legislation, but I definitely question the wisdom, from an administrative and legislative standpoint, of this provision.

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Sub-subtopic:   CREATION OF DEFENCE PURCHASING BOARD TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS FOR MUNITIONS, EQUIPMENT, MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES
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March 16, 1939