March 15, 1939

LIB

Arthur Graeme Slaght

Liberal

Mr. SLAGHT:

Or the $25 a month they do not get.

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

Yes. The next item is to provide for the development of training projects for unemployed young people. I am not going to enter into any detail at this time with respect to the youth training program. There is another resolution on the order paper which will be dealt with when this matter is concluded, and that will provide perhaps a more convenient opportunity for a discussion of the details of the youth training program. Again, however, if I may be permitted to comment upon what has been said in another house. I want to take exception to what was said by the leader of the opposition in the other house a few days ago with respect to the youth training program.

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CON

Robert James Manion (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

I do not think the rules of the house permit the minister to do that. I am not defending the leader of the Conservative party in the other house, but I do not think we have any right to enter into a discussion with regard to what happened there.

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

At all events it has been stated by one who ought to know better, regardless of where he now is, that out of those

receiving training under the youth training program only twenty-five were actually placed in .employment. I want to make it clear that the reference as it appeared in the record was confined to the province of Quebec; but I hold in my hand an article appearing in the Vancouver Sun which makes no reference to this placement of twenty-five persons as having occurred within any single province. The suggestion is, and there must have been some warrant for it, that this was an indictment of the entire youth training program. As a matter of fact under that national program some 3,282 were placed in employment, which is a very different story from 25. It does seem to me, reverting to what I said in the beginning in regard to carelessness in the presentation of information of this kind, that those who hold positions of high authority as elder statesmen ought at least to take the trouble to ascertain the facts before they make statements of this kind.

I come next to an item for the rehabilitation of unemployed persons. That was a new vote last year, and followed the recommendations of the national employment commission. As soon as the vote was passed letters were sent to all the provinces asking for their cooperation in projects designed to retrain and physically recondition older unemployed men. Thus far three provinces have adopted plans of this kind-Ontario, Manitoba and Alberta. I may say to the house that it has been found much more difficult to secure cooperation in projects for the training of these older unemployed men than it was to secure cooperation in connection with youth training projects. Again I have no desire to detain the house with details at this time; there will be an opportunity to discuss this vote when the bill itself is in committee.

These various measures, Mr. Speaker, do not by any means represent the program adopted by this government to deal with unemployment. These joint arrangements with the provinces have provided much work in themselves. They are moving also towards the reestablishment of many of those who are unemployed. But it would be an entire mistake to assume that the policies of this *government in relation to unemployment are confined to these expenditures which have taken place under the relief act during the past year.

At this stage I want to refer, if I may, to what has been done in connection with housing. The national employment commission selected the building industry out of all others as the one which held the greatest promise of expanding employment under

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careful government stimulation. Every recommendation made by the national employment commission with respect to housing has been carried out, I suggest, in spirit if not in letter including the home improvement plan, which was inaugurated in 1936; and the plan for low rental housing, which was included in the National Housing Act of last year, and we went beyond the recommendations of the commission in affording a further stimulus to the construction industry through the Municipal Improvements Assistance Act. Under the home improvement plan there has been to date an expenditure of $25,340,000 across Canada.

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CON

Denton Massey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MASSEY:

As of what date?

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

As of March 15. That has been expended on the basis of the assistance given by the federal treasury in the form of a guarantee. An analysis of the loan applications indicates that approximately forty-six per cent of the amounts spent went for masonry, carpentry and plastering; twenty-four per cent for plumbing and heating; sixteen per cent for painting; nine per cent for roofing, and the other five per cent for electric wiring, mechanical equipment and installation. A further analysis indicates that approximately 16,175,000 man hours of labour have been provided and approximately $10,977,000 has been distributed directly as wages and other earnings in the building trades. That is simply under one of the proposals made by the national employment commission, and carried into effect by this government.

In so far as housing generally is concerned, the Dominion Housing Act of 1935 has been completely renovated and is now producing effective results. I consider members of the House of Commons are under great obligation to the Minister of Finance (Mr. Dunning) for the manner in which that moribund legislation was eventually brought to life, because from the time it was adopted until this government assumed office no loans whatever had been made under it. I believe that is correct.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

No loans were made until after we came into office.

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

Yes. It was revised last year, as part of the National Housing Act. Two other parts were added: Part II dealing with low-rental housing, and Part III providing for the remission of taxes on houses valued below $4,000 built upon land owned by the municipalities. May I say in passing that while the low-rental housing plan has not yet produced that degree of success we

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would have wished, nevertheless it has received the complete approval of the national housing conference which met in Toronto just a short time ago. A resolution passed by that conference in 1939 is as follows:

Resolved that in the opinion of this conference, the legislation embodied in part II of the National Housing Act, 1938, is, in general soundly conceived, and that those provinces which have not already passed the necessary enabling legislation be urged to do so; and that a copy of this resolution be forwarded to the federal and provincial governments, and to the Canadian Federation of Mayors and Municipalities.

So I think we are entitled to say that, apart altogether from the delay as yet in the submission to and acceptance of low-rental housing projects by municipalities or limited dividend corporations, the legislation itself appears to have been skilfully drafted, and drafted in a manner which has received the full support of those who are able to speak with some authority on this type of legislation.

Judging from the results attained under other sections of the National Housing Act and under the Home Improvement Plan, I think we may expect with confidence that once these arrangements are fully understood and once reluctant provinces give their approval to the plan, it will provide a means whereby a great deal of additional employment will be afforded in most of the provinces of the dominion.

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CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

Which provinces have

passed the legislation necessary to enable the municipalities in those provinces to carry out low-rental housing?

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

I have not that information at hand. As my hon. friend is perhaps aware, the National Housing Act comes under the administration of the Minister of Finance. I refer to it only to illustrate part of the policy of the government with respect to employment.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I shall give that information later.

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

But my hon. friend is

perhaps aware that projects of limited dividend corporations require no guarantee at all.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

They require no provincial legislation, in any event, except in so far as the municipality is concerned.

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

Under the National Housing Act, apart from the figures I have given with respect to the home improvement plan, there has also been a marked increase in the loans granted, and therefore in the labour provided to those who are unemployed.

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In that connection may I say a word with respect to the Municipal Improvements Assistance Act. That act was also passed last session and was intended to give a further stimulus to the construction industry. It did require the approval of the provinces to place it in operation. Under that act the following expenditures have been made to date:

British Columbia $1,570,635

Alberta 754,133

Saskatchewan 750,200

Manitoba 179,031

New Brunswick 405,000

Prince Edward Island 7,000

Total $3,665,999

The total available under the Municipal Improvements Assistance Act is $30,000,000. Perhaps I should have said before that the total available under the home improvement plant was $50,000,000. Under the Dominion Housing Act and the National Housing Act, low-rental section, the amount is $100,000,000. So by these acts this government has made available these vast sums of money for building or for self-liquidating municipal projects. I ask if my hon. friends in the far corner of the house could ask for any better illustration of how the national credit has been brought to the assistance of our provinces and municipalities in connection with this urgent problem of providing useful employment? Under the Dominion Housing Act the total expended thus far is just under $30,000,000.

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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. BLACKMORE:

I should be interested to learn how many applications have been refused.

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

There have been very few refused under the Municipal Improvements Assistance Act. There are pending applications covering the amount of $371,000. Therefore it is quite evident from the figures I have that there have not been many rejections.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

There have been some.

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

I have no doubt there have been some.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

But not many. And those rejections have been only because the applications did not come within the four corners of the act.

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CON

Karl Kenneth Homuth

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HOMUTH:

Reference has been made to provincial enabling legislation. Are there some provinces which have not passed that legislation?

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March 15, 1939