March 15, 1939

SC

John Charles Landeryou

Social Credit

Mr. LANDERYOU:

Will the minister have the figures when the bill is brought down?

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT RELIEF
Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT AND AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS- UNDERTAKINGS IN GENERAL INTEREST AND FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO PROVINCES
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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

Yes, I shall try to have all figures the house may require.

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LIB

Donald Alexander McNiven

Liberal

Mr. McNIVEN:

Was that scheme made available to Saskatchewan?

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

It was made available to all provinces; it was adopted in a number of provinces which later abandoned it. I shall note that question also and have the information available.

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT RELIEF
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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

In what year was the policy first adopted?

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

It was in the period of the late administration; I would not care to say the year offhand.

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

Was it 1931?

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

I am inclined to think it was 1931 or 1932.

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LIB

Malcolm McLean

Liberal

Mr. McLEAN (Melfort):

Is it not the case that in Saskatchewan there are many thousands, over eight thousand families, being settled on the land under a slightly different scheme but at the expense of the dominion government?

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

That is correct, but that particular measure was designed to remove families from the drought areas to the northern part of Saskatchewan.

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LIB

Malcolm McLean

Liberal

Mr. McLEAN (Melfort):

And from the cities as well.

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

Yes. Originally that project was under the Department of Labour, but two years ago it was transferred to the Department of Agriculture.

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LIB

Cameron Ross McIntosh

Liberal

Mr. McINTOSH:

That is on a fifty-fifty basis, is it not?

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

Yes. The next item is to provide for commitments and completion of works in connection with federal contributions to provincial and municipal relief projects.

That is a re-vote and requires no further comment at this time. I merely say that last year, instead of entering upon a broad program of joint works with the provinces through the Department of Labour, it was decided that those departments which had the more immediate responsibility with respect to certain projects should enter into the agreements for such projects. It followed, therefore, that the Department of Mines and Resources assumed responsibility last year for the appropriation for highway construction, and this was confined largely to tourist highways and sections of the Trans-Canada highway.

The next item is for the completion of the Winnipeg sewage disposal project. That, again, requires no further comment at this time.

The next is to provide for outstanding claims for direct relief under the Relief Act, 1935.

The next is to provide for federal contributions to farm employment and supplementary plans; a re-vote for commitments was also included in this. As to the farm employment plan it has been in operation now for the past three years. The results I think are known to many hon. members. In 1936-37 under this plan the total placed was 47,665, and in 1937-38 the total was 42,733. For 1938-39 the total as of March 13 was 30,465. Hon. members will recall that this plan was devised in order to provide shelter, food and some agricultural experience for young unemployed men who otherwise would be on relief or having temporary shelter in hostels established in the larger cities of western Canada.

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CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weyburn):

Has the minister the number of applications in the same period?

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

I have not those figures here at the moment. But while my hon. friend is on his feet I want to take exception to a statement attributed to him when he was discussing this farm employment plan in Ottawa not long ago. I hope he has been incorrectly reported, but here is the statement of my hon. friend, which is presented here as an indictment not of the plan itself but of the youth training program; which, if I may say so, indicates a degree of ignorance with respect to government policy which is not easily excused in an hon. member of this house. This is what was said by my hon. friend, speaking to a group of unemployed in the city of Ottawa.

"Out west they give a fellow $5 a month to act as nursemaid to a herd of cows," he remarked.

Unemployment and Agricultural Distress

Above that there is this statement:

Youth training projects were criticized by T. C. Douglas, M.P., in an address before the Ottawa Single Unemployed Men's Organization on Tuesday afternoon.

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CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weyburn):

It was not I who associated them; it was the writer of the article.

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

Does my hon. friend deny making that statement?

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CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weyburn):

Not at all,

but it was not I who associated them.

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

I am glad to have that correction; but even so I do suggest that my hon. friend is not doing justice to himself or to the group of which he is a member when he makes that sort of comment upon a scheme of this kind. We have reason to know that large numbers of those who have been placed upon farms under this plan were retained by the farmers concerned on a wage basis after the special bonus was withdrawn at the end of April. And even though he and I might wish that these men could be employed at prevailing wages, surely my hon. friend would admit that this plan is far more wholesome in its effects than the concentration of these single unemployed men either in hostels in our cities or in relief camps somewhere in the wilderness. If that is not the view of my hon. friend I should be glad to have him say so.

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT RELIEF
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March 15, 1939