March 15, 1939

LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

No, I would say it is based on an entirely different technique from that followed by the youth congress. By the way, since my hon. friend has raised that point, I shall return to the question of the 400,000 figure, which has been mentioned. Actually, according to our own figures, the number of those within the age group supposed to be covered by the youth congress estimate, and on relief, was 26,000. That was the number of those within that age group who were registered as being in receipt of relief.

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT RELIEF
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CCF

Charles Grant MacNeil

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacNEIL:

Does that include all those who would be cared for by the various charitable agencies?

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

No; it includes those

receiving government assistance.

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CCF

James Shaver Woodsworth

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

Does it include those being cared for by their parents?

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

I have no doubt that those cared for by their parents have never appeared on the list of those who are in receipt of aid. Why should they?

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SC

John Charles Landeryou

Social Credit

Mr. LANDERYOU:

There are many between-

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LIB

Walter Edward Foster (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order.

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

If my hon. friends proceed they will discover that everyone in this country, including members of the House of Commons, is unemployed. Further, in the last

census of the western provinces I believe we have perhaps the best indication of the incidence of that particular problem. I have not suggested that there is not a problem. All I have objected to is the exaggeration of that problem. Let us try to face it as it is; but by all means do not let us exaggerate it.

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CCF

Abraham Albert Heaps

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. HEAPS:

May I ask the minister a question?

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

Will my hon. friend permit me to continue.

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CCF

Abraham Albert Heaps

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. HEAPS:

If I may?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

We shall be going into committee.

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CCF

Abraham Albert Heaps

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. HEAPS:

Has the minister any figures at all to give the house at this time in regard to the unemployment situation in the country? All the figures he gave were with regard to the unemployed on relief.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE (Quebec East):

He is making his speech.

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CCF

Abraham Albert Heaps

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. HEAPS:

That is a fair question.

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

I was going to point out that in the last census conducted in the western provinces, those who took the census took first a record of those between the ages mentioned who were actually on relief. Possibly at the same time they took a census of those within that age group who, while not on relief, were reported as being unemployed. The number of those classified as unemployed was about four times the number registered as unemployed and on relief. The inference to be drawn is that if you have a statement showing those within the age group who are on relief and multiply it by four you will have a pretty fair indication of the total number within that age group who are unemployed.

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CCF

James Shaver Woodsworth

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

That is before

the depression?

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

No; that was according to the last western census, which, as hon. members will recall, was taken in 1936, five years after 1931. I suggest that this is probably as close an approximation to the true figures as we are able to obtain at the present time.

I was going to place before the house a comparative statement of the relief situation, with respect to both agricultural and unemployment relief, for the past two years.

I believe this may serve to show that we have been making substantial progress over that entire period, despite the setback which occurred during recent months. These figures are:

Unemployment and Agricultural Distress

Fully employable persons:

(a) Total, January, 1939-180,000; although this was 6-8 per cent over January, 1938, it was 29-2 per cent less than January, 1937.

(b) Average monthly number, January to December, 1938-148,189. This was less by 20-8 per cent than January to December average in 1937.

Total on urban aid:

(a) Total, January, 1939-662,000; although this was 4-8 per cent over January, 1938, it was 22-9 per cent less than in January, 1937.

(b) Average monthly number, January to December, 1938-557,525. This was less by 15-5 per cent than January to December average in 1937.

Total on agricultural aid:

(a) Total, January, 1939-316,000, this was less by 17'5 per cent than January, 1938, and less by 1-2 per cent than January, 1937.

(b) Average monthly number, January to December, 1938-314,578. This was more by 2-8 per cent than January to December average in 1937.

Total on urban and agricultural aid combined:

(a) Total, January, 1939-978,000; this was less by 3-7 per cent than January, 1938, and less by 17-0 per cent than January, 1937.

(b) Average monthly number, January to

December, 1938-872,103. This was less by

9-7 per cent than January to December in 1937.

General comparison of trend:

Comparing figures for the months January to December, 1937 and 1938:

(a) Grand total on aid is less in all months

in 1938 than in 1937 except months of July and August which are slightly higher in 1938 than in 1937. _

(b) Fully employables are less in each month in 1938 up to and including September; October, November and December, 1938, are slightly above 1937.

(c) Total on urban aid is less in each month in 1938 up to and including September; October, November and December, 1938, are slightly above 1937.

(d) Total on agricultural aid for each month in 1938 is substantially above 1937, up to and including August; September to December, 1938, are substantially less than in 1937.

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SC

Victor Quelch

Social Credit

Mr. QUELCH:

Do those figures include those who are taken care of under the farm placement scheme?

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

They are not included in these figures, but that information will be placed on the record in a few moments. With the consent of the house, and for the information of hon. members, I should like to place on Hansard a number of tables setting out the information which I have just conveyed in these comparisons.

Table No. 1 will give the comparative totals of persons on aid in September to January in the last three years.

Table No. 2 will give the percentage changes in dominion totals of persons on aid in September to January in the last three years.

Table No. 3 will give the comparative totals of fully employables on aid in September to January in the last three years, showing percentage changes.

Table No. 4 will show the percentage distribution by provinces of totals on aid in November, 1938.

Table No. 5 will show the percentage distribution of heads of families and individuals, by degree of employability, on aid in November, 1938.

Table No. 6 will show the comparative totals of persons on agricultural aid in the province of Saskatchewan in September to January in the last three years.

Table No. 7 will show the comparative totals on material aid, that is, urban and agricultural aid combined, in January for each year from 1933 to 1939.

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March 15, 1939