March 15, 1939

LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

But what I pointed out

was that the statement as given was to the effect that this was the result for all of Canada. That was not the statement as it appeared in Hansard, but it was the statement that appeared in the press.

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Denton Massey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MASSEY:

One can hardly blame the hon. gentleman if his statement is misconstrued in the press. After all, the statement in Hansard which I also read is clear and

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distinct. We would hardly expect the minister to say the hon. gentleman should know better than make such a statement; the minister himself should know better than make the statement he made.

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

Certainly he should not

have given that as an indication of the success of the scheme in all Canada.

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CON

Denton Massey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MASSEY:

He did not.

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

Yes, he did.

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CON

Denton Massey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MASSEY:

I shall be glad to deal with the success of the scheme, but I do not wish to do so just at the moment. The minister went on to discuss the effect of the act of this year. I have here, if I can put my hand on it, a statement in regard to the efficiency of the plan which shows very clearly the result of the efforts that have been put forward so far. I have in my hand a pamphlet which was put out by the minister himself shortly after the end of last session, entitled "What did parliament do?" The pamphlet states that "this is a difficult question to answer," and with that we entirely agree. It goes on to say:

The memorandum is confined to parliamentary action directed definitely toward rehabilitation. It does not, nor is it intended to, cover the complete list of accomplishments last session.

Then it proceeds, through some fourteen pages of typewritten material, to detail the accomplishments of parliament in 1938. I have taken it upon myself to summarize those alleged accomplishments. What did parliament do? The first item is the Municipal Improvements Assistance Act, with an appropriation of $30,000,000. Loans to date total $3,102,668; advances by the government to date total S659,796, or 2-2 per cent of the total. Then under the National Housing Act, part 1, $20,000,000 was appropriated. Loans under this part total $7,931,575; the dominion's share amounts to $1,982,894 and advances by the government total $593,701, or 4 per cent of the total. Under part 2 of the National Housing Act the appropriation was $30,000,000. To date none of this money has been used. Under part 3, of course, there has been no appropriation at all.

There we have $80,000,000, as was blazoned across the front pages of the press of this country last session, introduced by the government to revive the construction industry; $80,000,000 that was going to make it possible for municipalities to undertake self-liquidating improvements; $80,000,000 that was going to provide houses for scores of thousands of our people. Eighty million dollars, and how we heard that in this chamber; what a great i j

triumph it was for the government! Yet to-day only $1,253,497 out of that total has come from the government treasury, or 1-7 per cent. I claim that such statements as were made in this chamber last session were eyewash.

Now we come to youth training, for which $1,750,000 was voted last session, which amount included a revote of $290,000 from the previous year. The youth of Canada were looking to this government-I do not know why they should, but in some sections they continue to do so-in the hope that something might yet be done, their patience all but exhausted but still hoping against hope; and $1,460,000 was our grant for 1938-39. What has been spent to-day? Only $351,000, or 24 per cent.

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

If my hon. friend will permit me to correct that, as a matter of administration the provinces frequently do not send in their accounts for work done until months after the actual expenditures have been incurred, so this figure does not represent work done at all.

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Denton Massey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MASSEY:

Mr. Speaker, I have here a letter dated Ottawa, March 4, 1939, over the signature "Norman McL. Rogers," as follows:

In response to a telephone request from your secretary to my deputy the enclosed statement has been prepared showing the disbursements under two of the votes in the supplementary estimates for the present fiscal year, namely, votes 520 and 521.

I trust that the information herein covers that which you desire.

Therein I find listed the figures I have just given.

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

That does not affect what I have just said. Those figures do not cover all the work done; they cover only the accounts that have come in.

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CON

Denton Massey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MASSEY:

Well, would the minister care to make a statement, during his remarks on the next resolution standing in his name, as to the amount that has been spent under these agreements this year?

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

Certainly.

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CON

Denton Massey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MASSEY:

It seems to me a serious thing that under date of March 4, which after all is less than a fortnight ago, a statement such as this should be put out, containing no mention whatever as to the period covered. I suppose the minister wjll say that statement is made by one who ought to know better, in other words the hon. member for Greenwood. I simply take what is given over his own signature. If I have misrepresented the facts I apologize to the minister;

but on the other hand it is obvious to me from the letter I have in my hand that only 24 per cent of the youth training appropriation has been expended to date. The results would give that impression, in any case.

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

The statement is correct.

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CON

Denton Massey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MASSEY:

If the hon. member for Essex East (Mr. Martin) has anything worth saying I wish he would say it, and not mutter to himself.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

Will the hon. member let me say it?

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CON

Denton Massey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MASSEY:

Certainly, if it is worth hearing.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

If the hon. member will permit me to say it-

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CON

Denton Massey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MASSEY:

If the hon. member has a question to ask I shall be delighted to give him the opportunity to do so, but I object to his muttering to himself. There is always the suspicion, when someone mutters, that he does not want even himself to hear what he is saying.

Now I come to the question of farm employment. In the pamphlet to which I have alluded we were told that $1,870,000 was granted for farm employment. Subject,

I presume, to the same correction by the minister, to date $596,000 has been put to use, or 32 per cent. But Mr. Speaker, here are the facts of the case. The appropriations I have mentioned, totalling $83,330,000, represent 70 per cent of the grants listed in this extraordinary document " What did parliament do?" The other 30 per cent is essentially for public works of one kind or another, including grants in aid totalling $17,500,000. The amount of $20,000,000 for public works projects and the $17,500,000 have been essentially applied fully; but of the $83,330,000 only $2,200,497 or 2-6 per cent has been put to use. And then, Mr. Speaker, in the light of figures such as I have just used, the minister rose in his place this afternoon and said, in words which echoed through this chamber, "The government has taken every possible step to stimulate the building industry." Does the minister honestly believe that the government has taken every possible step to stimulate the building industry?

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

Within reason.

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CON

Denton Massey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MASSEY:

Does he believe they had to pass through two sessions, two and a half years of administration, before they changed that "moribund legislation"? Does he believe that the Dominion Housing Act, that " iniquitous act " which had to be changed,

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should exist for two and a half years before it was changed? Why was it permitted to remain on the statute books, if it was moribund legislation?-because, Mr. Speaker, in its own [DOT] right it was doing a job.

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March 15, 1939