March 9, 1939

LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

He produces films, as he is

asked by others. As it is now, he receives requests from the various departments to produce certain films. That is practically all he does. He produces the films, but he has nothing to do with their initiation. That comes from the various departments.

The hon. member for Kootenay East (Mr. Stevens) has suggested, in effect, that the Prime Minister should give instructions to the various departments to get together and to coordinate their efforts. That was carefully discussed in council, and the suggestion was made there that the whole organization and the complete preparation of films should be placed in one department. Since the film bureau is now in the Department of Trade and Commerce, it was suggested that it might all be placed under that department. But I will leave it to hon. members, and perhaps I should appeal particularly to those who have been members of a government: We will suppose the Minister of Trade and Commerce is in complete charge, that the Minister of Transport comes along and states he wants a certain film, and that the Minister of Mines and Resources states he wants some other film. All this has to pass the inspection and obtain the approval of the Minister of Trade and Commerce. I say that ministers are human. They are just as jealous of their own rights in their own departments as are other people. I for one, as Minister of Trade and

Commerce, would not like to be placed in the position of having to pass on the application for a picture by this colleague or by that colleague.

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Subtopic:   NATIONAL FILM BOARD
Sub-subtopic:   REVIEW OF GOVERNMENT FILM ACTIVITIES-INTERDEPARTMENTAL COMMITTEE TO CENTRALIZE DISTRIBUTION
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CON

James Earl Lawson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LAWSON:

Why could it not go to the treasury board? An expenditure of money is involved.

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Subtopic:   NATIONAL FILM BOARD
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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

From what I know of the treasury board-and I have been a member of it for seven or eight years-they have enough to do, without passing on films. This is a matter which does not seem to me to come under the purview of the treasury board.

The argument advanced by the hon. member for Royal is the one I have been trying to make, and possibly did not make as clearly as I should have. This will have the effect of concentration in one spot.

Then again, while I am not emphasizing the point I think it is of importance, and bears directly on what the hon. member for Kootenay East has said. He has commented on the fact that we now have items amounting to $150,000, whereas when he was in office the appropriation was only $50,000.

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Subtopic:   NATIONAL FILM BOARD
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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

It was $40,000 in 1937.

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Subtopic:   NATIONAL FILM BOARD
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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

It seems to me that goes to prove that the film has become a most powerful factor in the education of our people, and in publicity generally. I am not going to say here that there may not be some expansion, so far as expenditures are concerned, and quite justifiably so. But I would also say that I do not share the fear of the hon. member for Kootenay East, that this is going to expand into a large organization with a tremendous expense. I believe I can assure the committee that that will not take place.

As a matter of fact, as I said the other night the film board itself will not have any paid officials whatsoever. There will be only one paid official, namely the commissioner himself.

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Subtopic:   NATIONAL FILM BOARD
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CON

John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

Their expenses will be paid?

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Subtopic:   NATIONAL FILM BOARD
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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

Yes, travelling expenses. May

I point out that the fact that money must be voted by parliament indicates that there is a most complete control of expenditures. Unless money is voted, the board cannot spend it.

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Subtopic:   NATIONAL FILM BOARD
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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

Would the minister say, if possible-and if not, would he bring the information down later-what other departments now operate anything in the nature of a motion picture branch, and what have been the appropriations in the last few years for each of those departments?

National Film Board

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

There is no other department which operates a film bureau.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

But they have some activities in that respect.

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

Yes.

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CON

John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

What do they do?

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

Well, the Department of Fisheries may get out pictures; the parks branch may get out pictures; the Department of Agriculture has some, and I know in connection with tourist business the Department of Transport has some. There may be some others.

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Subtopic:   NATIONAL FILM BOARD
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CON

James Earl Lawson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LAWSON:

When the minister says

"get out pictures," he does not mean that they make them?

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Subtopic:   NATIONAL FILM BOARD
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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

No. There is only one film making organization in the government, and that is the motion picture bureau which is attached to the Department of Trade and Commerce. For instance, when the Minister of Transport gets out a film to illustrate the beauties of Canada, for purposes of tourist travel, he has it made either in our own department, by our own film bureau, or he may have some private film manufacturing organization make it for him. I believe he has done that in the past, and as I said the other night, there is nothing to prevent its being done again. We have to use our own well equipped film bureau for most of the government work, but it is provided in the bill that if the board is satisfied the work can be done better in some other way, by a private film organization, it may be done in that way, with the board's consent. But the board's consent must be obtained.

So far as the board is concerned, the purpose is that the various requests for films which come from the departments must be passed on by the central organization, in order to avoid overlapping and to make it more efficient. Then, later on, it must see to it that there is a better distribution than has been given by the various departments. And then-and I mention it again, because I think it is important, although I do not emphasize it-it is a direct or primary purpose of the bill that there should be some organization which could initiate what are sometimes called documentary films, but which I have called national films, or films which may be of use to the whole nation, or to the youth of the nation, in an educational way, and which would not be initiated by any one department, because each department has its own specialized work to do.

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Subtopic:   NATIONAL FILM BOARD
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CON

John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

If it were allowed to initiate films, would that not increase the work of the motion picture bureau?

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Subtopic:   NATIONAL FILM BOARD
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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

It might enlarge the work of the picture bureau. But if it is legitimate, and if the house votes money for a national purpose, then I see no reason why a moving picture bureau should not enlarge its activities. I do not see why it should enlarge the expense of the board itself. I do not see why the board ever should change in number, or why there should be any greater expense.

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Subtopic:   NATIONAL FILM BOARD
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LIB

Wilfrid Lacroix

Liberal

Mr. LACROIX (Quebec-Montmorency):

May I ask the minister if the bilingual nature of the country will be taken care of, especially in so far as explanations in the French language are concerned?

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

I should think if any of the departments wanted a film issued in bilingual form, there would be no reason why it should not be done.

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Subtopic:   NATIONAL FILM BOARD
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LIB

Wilfrid Lacroix

Liberal

Mr. LACROIX (Quebec-Montmorency):

I should not like to have any distributed in the province of Quebec without having them bilingual. I should like the minister to take note of that.

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Subtopic:   NATIONAL FILM BOARD
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March 9, 1939