March 9, 1939


Motion agreed to.


WAYS AND MEANS

CANADA-UNITED STATES TRADE AGREEMENT


The house in committee of ways and means, Sir Eugene Fiset in the chair. On schedule 1: Customs tariff-6. Live hogs: one cent per pound. Item agreed to. Customs tariff-7. Meats, fresh, n.o.p.: ex (a) Edible offal of beef and veal, 4 cents per pound; ex (c) Pork, 1J cents per pound.


CON

Robert James Manion (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

What quantity of meats

did we import last year?

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE (Quebec East):

I think I had better move that the committee rise, report progress and ask leave to sit again.

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CON

Robert James Manion (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

Yes. May I make it clear that I do not want the minister to think we are blocking this in any way. There are certain details we want to get, and I did not suppose we should reach this to-night.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE (Quebec East):

I think it is only fair to report progress and go ahead with some other business.

Progress reported.

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NATIONAL FILM BOARD


The house resumed from Tuesday, March 7, consideration in committee of the following resolution-Mr. Euler-Sir Eugene Fiset in the chair: That it is expedient to introduce a measure to create a national film board empowered and directed to reviewT and report on government film activities and to discharge such other duties as the governor in council may request; and to authorize the governor in council to appoint, and determine the salary of, a commissioner, to be the chief executive officer of the board. Also, to provide for the appointment of an interdepartmental committee to centralize government film distribution. National Film Board


CON

James Earl Lawson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LAWSON:

Mr. Chairman, the other

evening when this resolution was before the house I made some extended remarks in connection therewith, in the course of which I made a statement which was in error and which I should like to correct. I made the statement that there was in existence in each province or in nearly every one of the provinces a film bureau, and that the work to be done by this national bureau would be pure duplication. Upon making inquiries I found afterwards that all those provinces which three or four years ago had motion picture bureaux have, during the past two or three years, disbanded them in the interests of economy and have not now such a bureau. However, I should still like to persist in respect of some other matters I raised. When the minister has an opportunity. I should like him to tell us the purpose of bringing to Canada a gentleman who, I understand, was brought here from England and who spent some weeks here making a survey in connection with this matter. I should like to know something about the report he made, whether this scheme was recommended by him, and what that gentleman's report cost us.

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

As a matter of fact, I had

not expected that this matter would come up this evening. I shall be glad on another occasion, perhaps when we are in committee on the bill, to give the information for which my hon. friend asks. The gentleman who was here from England was invited by me to come here for the purpose of giving us some expert advice with regard to this matter. While the bill is largely according to his recommendations, it was framed only after the deputy ministers of the various departments concerned had carefully canvassed the whole situation, discussed the merits of the scheme advanced, and adopted it unanimously.

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CON

James Earl Lawson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LAWSON:

There are some other matters in connection with this that I should like to raise. I have no objection to their standing over until the bill itself is in the committee stage, except that, in order to get the bill into the committee stage, it has to have its second reading, and I do not want to be taken as approving the principle of it, because on the information at present available to me I am very much opposed to the proposal, and I hope to be convinced by the minister before we are through with it that this is-

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

The hon. member will be.

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CON

James Earl Lawson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LAWSON:

[DOT]-a necessary expenditure. Frankly, to me it is just a waste of the taxpayer's money. That is on the information 71492-1101

I now have available. So I should like the minister, on another occasion, as he suggests, to bring us information as to what experience this particular gentleman had in the motion picture industiy, and why someone from England was selected, rather than some Canadian, to make a report to us in connection with the matter; for we have in this country many men skilled in the motion picture art.

On this occasion I should also like to reply to a question which in the course of the discussion the other evening the minister put to me. I had said that in my opinion, if any particular province wanted a motion picture film showing the scenic beauty of that province to attract tourists, or showing some industrial operation within its borders, why should that province not make it and bear the expense of it; and my hon. friend posed to me, what about a national film? I have had an opportunity in the meantime to do a little thinking about a national film, and it seems to me that the only thought the minister could have had in mind as regards a national film, as distinct from a film connected with one particular province, would be a film which, if for example it were scenic, would cover the dominion from coast to coast and show outstanding features of the different provinces. May I say to the minister that if he attempted to make a film of that kind and do justice to the scenic beauties of the different provinces, it simply could not be done in less than twelve, fourteen or fifteen thousand feet of film. How on earth could one ever hope to have that quantity of film run for an exhibition purpose? When any hon. member goes to a regular motion picture theatre and sees a show or performance there, he will probably see 6,500 to 8,000 feet of film, and it will take him a minimum of two hours, and probably two and a half hours, to see it. What earthly possibility would there ever be of an audience sitting for four hours to see a national film, if that is what the minister has in mind?

May I make a concrete suggestion to the minister? By sheer accident I saw not long ago some film taken by somebody who was interested in mining and mining geology. He had carried with him into the north country one of those small motion picture cameras which anyone can operate, one which you hold up to your eye and turn the crank and expose the motion picture film. On that sort of machine, which is comparatively inexpensive, you use a 16 mm. film. As I pointed out to the house the other night, a 16 mm. film is the only kind which can be exhibited in places other than the regular operating room of a motion picture theatre. That is because

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of fire hazard. I saw the picture taken by this gentleman who was interested in mining geology, and I assure the committee that it demonstrated excellently anything which might be desired in an educational way.

Before the minister brings down his bill,

I should like him to consider yet another aspect of this matter. It is proposed to have a board, I assume an advisory board of some kind, consisting of two ministers, three civil servants, three persons from the outside. Who will the three from the outside ibe? The minister made some suggestions the other night, and it must be obvious that these three will have to be representative of race and geography and all sorts of things.

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

Why so?

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CON

James Earl Lawson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LAWSON:

All right. I will say: Why so? Number one: Because it always has been, and I am afraid always will be, on every kind of 'board you have in Canada. Take the board of governors of the broadcasting corporation. Take your national harbours board, with one from the east, one from the west, and one from the centre. Take every board you have in Canada. Number two: If they are not going to be from different parts of Canada the minister is not going to accomplish the purpose he outlined to this house the other night as being behind this board, namely that he wanted to get views representative of all Canada on this board in order that he might have the advantage of their advice as to what sort of films should be produced to advertise Canada. If I misunderstood the minister in that regard I am sorry, but that is what I understood to be the purpose of the advisory board.

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

I do not think I said that.

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CON

James Earl Lawson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LAWSON:

What is the purpose?

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

Speaking offhand, I should say that the whole purpose would be to get from among the citizens of Canada three outsiders who would best serve the interests we have in view.

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March 9, 1939