June 14, 1938

BANKING AND COMMERCE


Sixth report of the standing committee on banking and commerce.-Mr. Moore.


JUDGE T. M. COSTELLO REPORTED WARNING TO RECIPIENTS OP NATURALIZATION CERTIFICATES NOT TO JOIN COMMUNISTIC OR SOCIALISTIC PARTIES


On the orders of the day:


CCF

James Shaver Woodsworth

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. J. S. WOODSWORTH (Winnipeg North Centre):

I should like to call the

attention of the Minister of Justice (Mr. Lapointe) to a dispatch in the Toronto Daily Star, June 8, from Guelph, in which it is stated that Judge T. M. Costello of Goderich in recommending that certain people should receive naturalization certificates warned them that they should not join any communistic or socialistic parties. "Keep away from them, because they are trying to teach you something that is not good for either you or me to know," he is reported as saying. I should like to ask whether it is proper for a judge to participate in this way in distinctly political affairs.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Right Hon. ERNEST LAPOINTE (Minister of Justice):

I shall inquire as to the

accuracy of the report before making any comment upon it. May I remark, though, that it shows that sometimes even freedom of speech has to be restrained to some extent.

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BANKS IN ALBERTA

REQUEST FOR TABLING OF COMMUNICATIONS WITH RESPECT TO POSSIBLE CLOSING OF BRANCHES


On the orders of the day:


SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. J. H. BLACKMORE (Lethbridge):

I should like to direct the following question 51952-242

to the Prime Minister (Mr. Mackenzie King). Is the Prime Minister prepared at the present time to make public his reply to the telegram of June 3, from Premier Aberhart of Alberta, and the letter from Premier Aberhart, with regard to the threatened withdrawal of some of the branch banks in Alberta.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

My hon. friend gave me

notice of his intention to ask this question, and I sent immediately for the communications to which it was supposed to have reference. His question asks to have made public the reply to a telegram of June 3. I have no telegram of June 3, from Hon. Mr. Aberhart, but I believe the telegram to which my hon. friend refers is one of June 4. My reply is dated June 6. The telegram of June 4 is as follows:

Calgary, Alberta,

June 4, 1938.

The Right Hon. Lyon Mackenzie King,

Ottawa, Ont.

This government has been advised of several instances in which local managers of banks have informed residents that unless the existing laws in regard to certain taxation are disallowed or withdrawn branch banks throughout the province will be closed. The matter is being investigated at this end but as your government claims complete jurisdiction over banks and banking I must point out that this action of the banks has serious implications. Firstly it could be interpreted as a coercive threat to the people of Alberta and directed against his majesty's government in this province. Secondly the withdrawal of an essential service will place this government in a position of being forced to take such action as may be necessary to safeguard the welfare of our people. The banks are under definite obligation to serve the people and it is the duty of your government to see that such obligation is adequately discharged or alternatively that due notice is given to the government of Alberta of the banks' unwillingness to maintain these necessary services in which case we must insist that we be left free to organize our own banking system to serve the needs of our people.

William Aberhart,

Premier.

To this message I sent a reply on June 6, as follows:

Hon. William Aberhart,

Edmonton, Alberta.

I wish to acknowledge your telegram of June the 4th regarding the possible closing of branch banks throughout the province of Alberta, and to assure you that its representations are receiving the careful consideration of our government.

W. L. Mackenzie King.

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NATIONAL PARKS

AMENDMENT OF EXISTING LEGISLATION AFFECTING WAWASKESY, ELK ISLAND AND PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND PARKS


Hon. T. A. CRERAR (Minister of Mines and Resources) moved that the house go into committee to consider the following proposed resolution: That it is expedient to amend the National Parks Act and the Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island National Parks Act, 1936, to abolish the Wawaskesy national park in the province of Alberta and vest the land in the province; to change the boundaries of the Elk Island national park in the said province by adding to and parting with certain described areas and transferring the latter to the province; and to withdraw certain lands from the Prince Edward Island national park and vest the same in His Majesty in the right of the province. Motion agreed to and the house went into committee, Mr. Sanderson in the chair.


LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

Mr. Chairman, the purpose of this resolution is to lead up to a bill amending The National Parks Act and The Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island National Parks Act. It is necessary to make some corrections in the boundaries of the park in Prince Edward Island. As the members of the committee are aware, the gov-srnment of Prince Edward Island set aside or acquired the area that was later transferred to the dominion administration for the development of a national park in that province. This involved the acquisition of property from various individuals, and in the adjustments incidental to the acquisition of this property it is now found necessary to change in some slight particulars the boundaries of some of the areas acquired.

There is also an amendment to The National Parks Act relating to a slight change in the boundary of the Elk Island park east of Edmonton. This is a slight rectification to permit the provincial government road, which passes by the park, to take off one small corner of it, which is replaced by an addition of some thirty-five or forty acres, according to my recollection, in another part of the park.

Then there is provision for the abandonment of a park known as the Wawaskesy national park north of Medicine Hat. This was acquired quite a number of years ago for the purpose of creating a preserve for the

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pronghomed antelope in Alberta. It has never been fenced. It consisted of a sort of elbow in the Saskatchewan river. At the same time another park west and south of Medicine Hat, known as the Nemiskam park, was secured for the same purpose, and now it is felt that it is unnecessary to maintain both parks. A resolution was passed by the Alberta legislature, I think at its last session, to the effect that the Wawaskesy park should be either fenced or abandoned by the federal government. Since the other park which I mentioned a moment ago is quite sufficient, in the judgment of the park administration, for the maintenance of the pronghorned antelope, under this legislation it is proposed to abandon the Wawaskesy park and let it revert to the ownership of the province.

I believe that covers all the amendments proposed under this legislation.

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SC

René-Antoine Pelletier

Social Credit

Mr. PELLETIER:

Unfortunately we could not hear very much of what was said by the minister. I was wondering if he would mention the negotiations that preceded the introduction of this resolution.

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

I cannot hear my hon.

friend.

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SC

René-Antoine Pelletier

Social Credit

Mr. PELLETIER:

I could not hear the minister, either. Would he be good enough to tell us what negotiations took place between the province and the dominion before this resolution was introduced?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

The matter of adjusting the boundary of the Elk Island park has been taken up with the Alberta government; indeed the request in the first instance came from that government to make this slight correction in order to permit them to carry through a road at a certain point. At the same time, according to my recollection, they suggested that they would give us an area at another point somewhat larger than the few acres we were asked to give up. So far as the Elk Island park is concerned, this action is the result of an understanding with the Alberta government.

As to Wawaskesy park, I said a moment ago that the Alberta legislature at its last session passed a resolution to the effect that the parks administration should either abandon this park or fence it. This park includes some forty or fifty square miles in a bend of the south Saskatchewan river, with a natural boundary on two sides. There has been some

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slight supervision given the park, costing a few hundred dollars a year, but since we have the Nemiskam park, which is a preserve for the pronghorned antelope, it is considered unnecessary to continue the Wawaskesy park. Rather than go to the expense of fencing it and providing supervision, which would involve a considerable capital outlay and a further few thousand dollars a year thereafter, we are giving up that park. No national interest will suffer in any way, because a place has been provided where this special species of antelope may be maintained.

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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART:

Is the change in the

boundaries of the Prince Edward Island park in the nature of an enlargement of the park, or otherwise? I gathered from the remarks of the minister, perhaps on a former occasion, that this area had1 been acquired by the provincial government and that there had been no expropriation or expenditure directly by the dominion government in connection with the acquisition of these lands. I should like to know if my recollection is correct.

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June 14, 1938