June 10, 1938


Section agreed to. On section 4-Officers and clerks.


CON

Charles Hazlitt Cahan

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAHAN:

Does this section mean

that the officers and clerks in the office of the High Commissioner for Canada at London are to be appointed under the Civil Service Act?

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

They have

not been appointed under the Civil Service Act in the past, except in a few cases. The minor positions have not been filled by the civil service commission, but some of the higher positions have. It has been found rather difficult, and I think my hon. friend will appreciate the reasons, to expect promotions from the junior positions in the high commissioner's office to the senior ones.

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CON

Charles Hazlitt Cahan

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAHAN:

I was dealing with the exact words of section 4: "There may be appointed in the manner authorized by law." Is there any existing law other than the Civil Service Act under which appointments crd

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hereafter be made? The law under which they have been made is the passing of an item year by year in the estimates.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

That is right.

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CON

Charles Hazlitt Cahan

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAHAN:

Now, in order that you

may have an appointee who will appear in the estimates, are those words sufficient?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

The Civil Service Act

has provision for exceptions, intended to cover cases of this kind.

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CON

Charles Hazlitt Cahan

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAHAN:

I grant that there are

exceptions, but I wonder whether they provide for exceptions which cover this case.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

May I say to

my hon. friend that section 4 of this act is exactly the same as section 5 of the old act which we are repealing. The old act contained the same words, except that we have added after the words "the high commissioner" the words "for Canada," as high commissioners may be sent to other countries later on. It was thought advisable to make clear that this section applied to the High Commissioner for Canada in London. The old act provided:

There may be appointed in the manner authorized by law such officers and clerks in the office of the high commissioner as may be necessary for the proper conduct of the business of the office.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

That would be before

the Civil Service Act was passed.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Yes, and the

high commissioner's office has never been brought under the Civil Service Act, any more than have the legations in the different countries.

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CON

Charles Hazlitt Cahan

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAHAN:

Quite so. Then the appointments will be made by a special item in the estimates from year to year?

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Yes.

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CON

Grote Stirling

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

Is it considered unnecessary to make any reference to the remuneration of the high commissioner? That was done in the old act.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Hereafter the

salary of the high commissioner will have to be voted in the estimate of the Department of External Affairs under the item which deals with representation abroad. Hereafter the amount will be set out in the estimates as given to parliament.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I think the effect of

section 4, passed subsequent to (the enactment of the Civil Service Act, will be to bring the high commissioner's office under the Civil Service Act. Those are the appropriate words

which are used in other statutes to accomplish that purpose. The broad general state-memt at the beginning of the Civil Service Act is that all appointments shall be made in the way indicated in the act. As long as the high commissioner's act was prior in point of time to the Civil Service Act, obviously it did not apply. Now we are repealing the old act and passing a new one, containing the language that is used in other statutes for the purpose of bringing all appointments under the Civil Service Act.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

May I say to my right hon. friend that I would not take any exception whatever to the high commissioner's office being brought under the Civil Service Act; and, if that is the effect of it, all that will be necessary in respect to appointments that cannot be best made in that manner will be to indicate th^t they are made notwithstanding anything in the Civil Service Act.

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Section agreed to. Section 5 agreed to. Bill reported, read the third time and passed.



The house in committee of supply, Mr. Sanderson in the chair.


DEPARTMENT OP LABOUR

June 10, 1938