June 6, 1938

CCF

Charles Grant MacNeil

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacNEIL:

Yes.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I think the definition

is broad enough. It would still be a municipality within the meaning of the law and would not on that account be debarred from consideration.

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IND

James Samuel Taylor

Independent

Mr. TAYLOR (Nanaimo):

There is just the question whether the amendment covers the case of a municipality wishing a loan for itself while at the same time it is acting jointly with other municipalities under a board receiving a loan. Does the minister get my point?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

Yes. I sent the amendment back to the law officers this morning to make sure that it would cover that point, and the language does cover it.

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IND

James Samuel Taylor

Independent

Mr. TAYLOR (Nanaimo):

Thank you.

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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART:

Mr. Chairman, I gather that the purpose of the minister and of the government in introducing this legislation has been to assist in the relief of unemployment. Unemployment is most severe in several of the larger cities, and the bill contains a provision limiting a loan to any one of those municipalities according to the municipality's population in proportion to that of the rest of the dominion. I am inclined to think that in some respects that provision will defeat the purposes of the legislation, because the smaller municipalities that might desire to take advantage of it and come under its provisions have probably no great number of unemployed. For example, in a town of ten or twenty thousand or a city of fifty thousand there may not be many unemployed, but such municipalities come within the scope of this legislation. On the other hand, in Montreal there are probably one to one and a quarter million people in the city and surrounding suburbs; under this provision they would get for all that area possibly only one-tenth of this appropriation. So many of the smaller municipalities will desire or need to take advantage of the legislation that it seems to me a considerable amount of this money will not be employed if you impose this limit upon it. The whole of this money cannot be expended under the plan of thi3 legislation unless every municipality takes advantage of it.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I do not think my hon. friend is quite right in his conclusions. In the first place, I think he is wrong as to his premises.

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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART:

That would make it all wrong.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I think he is wrong in assuming that the smaller municipalities do not have any unemployment problem.

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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART:

I did not say they would

not have any.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

Or materially less in proportion than the larger municipalities; and he forgets probably one feature when he refers to the city of Montreal. Under this bill the city of Montreal is one municipality, the city of Verdun is another, the city of Westmount is another, the town of Mount Royal is another, the city of Lachine is another. These, arc all separate municipalities.

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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART:

Would that alter the proportion they could receive?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

Oh, yes; because the

smaller municipality would be able to borrow up to the $200,000 limit, although by the population calculation they would not on that basis be entitled to it. Frankly I do expect this amount of money to be utilized if the provinces and the municipalities right across Canada take advantage of it in the manner contemplated. It all depends on them, of course, but judging from requests already coming in from municipalities from one end of Canada to the other for information regarding their ability to take advantage of this scheme, there is no doubt as to the desire of the municipalities for something of this sort to enable them to do work which in very many cases would have been done years ago but for the conditions which have prevailed. I am, in fact, very hopeful of this scheme, given that degree of cooperation which alone can make success possible.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

We have had an intimation from the press that the Minister of Finance received a delegation from the mayors of Canada, and perhaps he might find opportunity to tell us their reaction to this proposal.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

The delegation from the mayors who sought an interview with me expressed on behalf of the body they repre-' sent approval of the bill now under discussion:. We had a general discussion about it, and there was no criticism but very evident appreciation of the purpose of the bill.

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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART:

In years gone by it was the custom once a year or oftener to call

Municipal Improvements

together the premiers of the provinces and to discuss their problems with them, particularly those relating to unemployment; proposals of this kind would be outlined and submitted for their approval, or sometimes initiated by them. Has this legislation been approved at any such conference with the premiers of the provinces?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

No.

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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART:

When was the last conference of that kind held?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I cannot recall the date of the last dominion-provincial conference. I think there was none in 1937. There may have been one early last year, but I am doubtful about that.

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Amendment agreed to. Section as amended agreed to. On section 5-Securities for loans.


June 6, 1938