June 6, 1938

CON

Harry James Barber

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. H. J. BARBER (Fraser Valley):

Mr. Speaker, based on considerable correspondence, and also on copies of petitions I have received, I should like to direct a question to the Prime Minister (Mr. Mackenzie King). I have been urged, and I have no doubt other hon. members have been, to support a measure, promised in the speech from the throne, which would set up in Canada a system of unemployment insurance. Will the Prime Minister inform the house whether he is

likely to bring down such a measure during the present session? Perhaps he has a general statement to make in the matter; if so, I believe the country would be pleased to hear it at this time.

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE
Subtopic:   INQUIRY AS TO INTENTION TO PROCEED WITH LEGISLATION AT THE PRESENT SESSION
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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, at the moment I am unable to recall the exact words which appear in the speech from the throne. So far as I recollect however they were to the effect that the government hoped to be in a position, through the cooperation of the several provinces, to bring in a national unemployment insurance measure. It has been understood from the outset that in the opinion of the administration a scheme of national unemployment insurance is the one which would be most in the interests alike of the provinces and the dominion. For that reason it has been hoped that the dominion would have the hearty cooperation of the provinces in permitting an amendment to the British North America Act which would give this parliament full jurisdiction with respect to the enactment of unemployment insurance. The hon. member who has just spoken, and no doubt all other hon. members of the house, know that the government has not received from some of the provinces endorsa-tion of the view that this parliament should be given power to enact an unemployment insurance measure. We are still hoping that in this matter the reasons which may be actuating the provinces referred to will be further considered and that ultimately all will see the wisdom of cooperating in a national unemployment insurance measure. However, it is not the intention of this government to seek to coerce the provinces with respect to any legislative measure which is in the nature of a social service measure. Our aim rather is to be helpful and to further if we can mutual interests. We do not want to appear, let alone in reality, to seek in any way to coerce any province of the dominion. It would look at the moment as though it will not be possible to get that cooperation with respect to unemployment insurance before the present session comes to its close, but if it should be obtained the measure will be introduced.

The reference to this matter in the speech from the throne was as follows:

The cooperation of the provinces has been sought with a view to an amendment of the British North America Act, which would empower the parliament of Canada to enact forthwith a national scheme of unemployment insurance. My ministers hope the proposal may meet with early approval, in order that unemployment insurance legislation may be. enacted during the present session of parliament..

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I may say we have the measure drafted and as soon as the proposal meets with approval, it will be introduced.

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE
Subtopic:   INQUIRY AS TO INTENTION TO PROCEED WITH LEGISLATION AT THE PRESENT SESSION
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UNEMPLOYMENT

CONCENTRATION OF SINGLE UNEMPLOYED MEN IN VANCOUVER-OCCUPATION OF PUBLIC BUILDINGS


On the orders of the day:


CCF

Charles Grant MacNeil

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. C. G. MacNEIL (Vancouver North):

I should like to inquire of the Minister of Labour (Mr. Rogers) if a satisfactory settlement has yet been reached with respect to the grievances of the single unemployed now occupying the Vancouver post office and the art gallery

Hon. NORMAN McL. ROGERS (Minister of Labour): My latest information is that the situation has not altered since the matter was last raised in this house.

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT
Subtopic:   CONCENTRATION OF SINGLE UNEMPLOYED MEN IN VANCOUVER-OCCUPATION OF PUBLIC BUILDINGS
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MUNICIPAL IMPROVEMENTS

AUTHORIZATION OF LOANS TO ASSIST MUNICIPALITIES IN MAKING SELF-LIQUIDATING IMPROVEMENTS


The house resumed from Thursday, June 2, *consideration in committee of Bill No. 143, to assist municipalities in making self-liquidating improvements-Mr. Dunning-Mr. Sanderson in the chair. - On section 2-Definitions. Hon. CHARLES A. DUNNING (Minister *of Finance): When this bill was last in committee, sections 2, 9 and 10 were allowed to stand in order to give me an opportunity to consider representations which had been made regarding the desirability of certain amendments. I think all the suggestions made were constructive in character. I have an amendment to suggest to section 2, which I shall ask my colleague to move, as follows: That paragraph (b) of section 2 of the bill be amended by adding thereto at the end thereof the following words: "and also includes any . board, commission or agency duly authorized to act on behalf of one or more municipalities in the construction and operation of a self-liquidating project."


LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

I move accordingly.

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Subtopic:   AUTHORIZATION OF LOANS TO ASSIST MUNICIPALITIES IN MAKING SELF-LIQUIDATING IMPROVEMENTS
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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

A number of members thought that it would be desirable to have some wording which would deal with cases where a joint board was acting for one or more municipalities or where a municipality acted through a joint board with respect to a particular utility.

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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART:

This amendment would seem to meet every possible condition referred

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to by the leader of the opposition (Mr. Bennett). In Ontario we have public utility commissions and I assume that in other provinces there are similar organizations. It is possible that in the operation of certain utilities two or three municipalities may be united. I think it is fortunate that the bill has been broadened to enable these commissions or agents of municipalities to take advantage of its provisions.

Topic:   MUNICIPAL IMPROVEMENTS
Subtopic:   AUTHORIZATION OF LOANS TO ASSIST MUNICIPALITIES IN MAKING SELF-LIQUIDATING IMPROVEMENTS
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CON

Grote Stirling

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

What would be the procedure in connection with an unorganized district? With whom would the minister, with the approval of the governor in council, enter into an agreement?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

Of necessity with the

provincial government. There is no other entity in such a case. "Municipality" includes "a province where such province is administering directly territory not organized into county or municipal units." I suppose some provinces may think that we are degrading them by including them in this definition, but there appears to be no other way of dealing with an unorganized territory except through the only authority which has jurisdiction therein. It would mean a great deal to British Columbia particularly, and also to some of the other provinces, if there were not some method of dealing with the unorganized territories.

Topic:   MUNICIPAL IMPROVEMENTS
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Amendment agreed to. Section as amended agreed to. On section 6-Aggregate amount of loans.


LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

As a necessary consequence of the amendment we have just agreed to, I must ask the reconsideration of section

6. The population relationships are affected by what we have just decided in relation to these boards. I am going to ask my colleague to move the following amendment:

That subsection 2 of section 6 of the bill be amended by adding thereto at the end thereof the following proviso:

"and provided further that in the case of a loan made to a board, commission or agency acting on behalf of more than one municipality, the aggregate amount of the loans to be made to such board, commission or agency and the municipalities concerned shall not exceed the maximum amount of loans which the municipalities would be entitled to receive if acting separately and shall be apportioned between the board, commission or agency and the municipalities concerned on a basis to be approved by the governor in council."

Topic:   MUNICIPAL IMPROVEMENTS
Subtopic:   AUTHORIZATION OF LOANS TO ASSIST MUNICIPALITIES IN MAKING SELF-LIQUIDATING IMPROVEMENTS
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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

I move accordingly.

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Subtopic:   AUTHORIZATION OF LOANS TO ASSIST MUNICIPALITIES IN MAKING SELF-LIQUIDATING IMPROVEMENTS
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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I think the diflfculty

which is sought to be remedied by this amendment will be obvious to all.

Municipal Improvements

Topic:   MUNICIPAL IMPROVEMENTS
Subtopic:   AUTHORIZATION OF LOANS TO ASSIST MUNICIPALITIES IN MAKING SELF-LIQUIDATING IMPROVEMENTS
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CCF

Charles Grant MacNeil

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacNEIL:

What would be the position of a municipality whose affairs are being administered by a provincial commission?

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Subtopic:   AUTHORIZATION OF LOANS TO ASSIST MUNICIPALITIES IN MAKING SELF-LIQUIDATING IMPROVEMENTS
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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

Does my hon. friend

mean a municipality at present in default?

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June 6, 1938