June 1, 1938

LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

I am granting that. I do not say that the same argument would prevail in eastern Canada. At this time I am not going to make an explanation of the situation. I am saying nothing as to the policy of the present government, whether or not there is any well-defined policy with regard to the matter or whether the fact that the one is publicly owned and the other privately owned should have any bearing whatsoever on the amount of business that should be given to each. I have heard it strenuously argued that the Canadian National Railways should not be favoured at the expense of the privately owned line. I will admit I have always felt-

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CCF

James Shaver Woodsworth

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

Is that the government policy?

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

I am not making a declaration of policy. The one policy that is being followed is, I believe, the policy which has been in vogue for many years-and I say this subject to correction from members of previous governments-namely, that there was not to be any discrimination in favour of either the publicly owned or the privately owned line.

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CCF

James Shaver Woodsworth

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

But these figures

seem to indicate that there is discrimination.

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

These are not discriminatory. The Canadian Pacific Railway Company happen to get more contracts and more money because their lines run in the places where they can best give the service. I am told that is the explanation.

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CCF

James Shaver Woodsworth

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

Is there a greater Canadian Pacific mileage than Canadian National?

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

No. But especially in western Canada the Canadian Pacific passes through the more thickly populated parts, and the cities which receive more mail.

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CON
LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

Yes. In western Canada there is a greater volume of mail received along the lines of the Canadian Pacific than along those of the Canadian National.

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CCF

James Shaver Woodsworth

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

The minister has

said the difference is decreasing. Will he give details for the last ten or twelve years as to amounts given to the Canadian National Railways ?

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LIB
CCF

James Shaver Woodsworth

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

But not very

rapidly.

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LIB

John Power Howden

Liberal

Mr. HOWDEN:

I should like to follow up the interrogation of the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre. What is the policy of the Post Office Department with regard to the distribution of railway mail contracts? Are they let by tender? A minute ago the minister said that because the Canadian Pacific railway has direct connection with certain steamship lines, he assumes it would be given transference of the mail from those lines. I do not believe that is a sufficiently good reason. It is the custom of the government generally to let contracts by tender. If those mail contracts are not let by tender, how are they let? I ask that because it is evident the Canadian National Railways have been getting the worst of the deal all along the line for many years.

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

That question is easily

answered. The space rates on the cars are fixed by order in council, and are the same for both railways. The allotting of the contracts is on the basis I suggested a moment ago, namely to whichever railway can give the better service.

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LIB

John Power Howden

Liberal

Mr. HOWDEN:

The two railways carry

passengers from one coast to the other. My information is that the Canadian Pacific has all the through mail contracts, and if that is so it certainly looks like discrimination.

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

I can give no explanation

other than the one I have already given, that it is not correct to say that the Canadian Pacific carries all the mail to the Pacific coast-

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LIB
LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

No, not all the through

mail. But for the reasons I have given they

Supply-Post Office

have the greater proportion. There may be other reasons with which I am not conversant.

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Item agreed to. Air and land mail services, $8,052,005.


CON

Harry James Barber

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARBER:

What portion of the vote last year was expended on this service? The minister might also indicate the revenues from the service.

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June 1, 1938