June 1, 1938

CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART:

I notice an increase of $327,600 in this item. Referring to page 169, mail service by railway, we find that the

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amount last year was 86,950,000 and this year $7,150,000, representing practically all the increase. How does this increase come about? Is there an extension of the service, or is it an increase in rates?

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

Almost the whole increase of $200,000 in this item is due to increased services. The following is a list of some eighteen new services that have been added, which accounts for $170,000 of the increase of $200,000:

Mail Service by Railway

The increase of $200,000 is to provide for the following services:

Route-Service Annual cost

Hartney and Virden-Baggage car

to postal car $ 1,710 14

Montreal and Toronto-Baggage

car service (new) 6,917 20

Ottawa and Broekville-Baggage

car service (new) 1,601 60

London and Hamilton-Baggage

car service (new) 1,014 12

Sudbury, Capreol and Winnipeg (trains 94, 97, 3, 4)-Baggage car

service (new) 5,081 96

Sudburv, Capreol and Winnipeg

(trains 95, 3, 1, 2, 4, 96)-Bag- _

gage car to postal car 88,350 52

Capreol and Field-Baggage car

service (new) 473 40

Pembina and Winnipeg-Baggage

car to postal car 3,153 48

Melville and Winnipeg-Baggage

car service (new) 582 00

Toronto and Sudbury junction-

Baggage car service (new).. .. 3,405 44

Toronto, North Bay and Timmins-

Baggage car to postal car 7,470 58

McLennan and Hines Creek-Baggage ear to postal car 2,946 84

Senneterre and Val d'Or-Baggage

car service (new) 1,802 88

Edmonton and Dawson Creek-Increase in frequency, postal car

service 10,944 18

McLennan and Hines Creek-Increase in frequency, baggage car

service 1,372 08

Toronto, London and Windsor;

London, St. Thomas and Simcoe;

Toronto and Stratford-Rearrangement of train service. .. 2,093 92Richmond and Sherbrooke-Baggage car to postal ear

1,408 50Montreal and "Winnipeg-Overflow space

30,000 00

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CON

Richard Langton Baker

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BAKER:

Is this money equally divided between the two railways?

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

It is impossible to make an arbitrarily equal division of the services. It depends on the points served by the different railways.

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SC

Otto Buchanan Elliott

Social Credit

Mr. ELLIOTT (Kindersley):

Does the increase in parcel post weight limit involve an increase in staff or equipment to handle that extra business?

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LIB
SC

Otto Buchanan Elliott

Social Credit

Mr. ELLIOTT (Kindersley):

What was the reason for increasing the weight?

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

Chiefly to give an extra

service to people in rural districts; and I think the department hopes for a little heavier income from the parcel post service on account of that increase.

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CON

Mark Cecil Senn

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SENN:

The minister stated that this

increase was not divided arbitrarily on an equal basis between the two railways. Of course there are places served by only one railway system. On the other hand there are many places reached by both railways. What is the system followed by the department in such cases? Is the service divided between the two railways or is one used exclusively? What is the governing factor?

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

I am informed that where

both railways are available no one railway gets the business exclusively; there is a division. I cannot say whether it is always an equal division.

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CON

Harry James Barber

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARBER:

I have in mind services

in British Columbia, Are not the through mail contracts from the east to Vancouver held altogether by one company?

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

I am not sure that I can

answer that question entirely to the satisfaction of my hon. friend. There is a difference in favour of the Canadian Pacific Railway, which I understand is largely accounted for by the fact that it was the pioneer railway, and reaches more completely the towns and villages in that locality than does the Canadian National. Naturally the business would go by the Canadian Pacific where they can serve the communities best. Through mails from the Atlantic to the Pacific, coming in by Canadian Pacific steamships, account for a very large proportion.

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Harry James Barber

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARBER:

I have in mind the lower

Fraser valley. The mails have been carried by the Canadian Pacific on the north side of the river for many years, perhaps since mail cars first commenced to run. But from places situated on the Canadian National on the south side of the river the mails at present go to Vancouver via Canadian Pacific and then come back by the British Columbia Electric to points in the Fraser valley, which means that although there is a train on the Canadian National coming in at 7 a.m. which

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could deliver our mail, we do not receive it until noon. And there is the same delay with outgoing mails; they go to Vancouver or a point near Vancouver and are taken across and placed on the Canadian Pacific. The minister mentioned baggage car service. I think that district could be well served with a baggage car service between. Kamloops and New Westminster. It is a service which we very much desire. It has been discussed from time to time, connecting with the Canadian Pacific from Rosedale to Agassiz. If this could be arranged, to give us a baggage car from those points at any rate,, it would solve the problem. I am speaking of one of the largest settlements, which is served by several rural routes, that is (he Chilliwack area on the Canadian National.

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

I assure my friend that we

shall be glad to give his suggestion every consideration.

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

I am told that the cost would be very little more, though I cannot say precisely what it would be.

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Harry James Barber

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARBER:

It would be a great convenience to the people of that district, the business people particularly; it would mean a difference of several hours.

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

We shall be very glad to consider it.

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CON

Mark Cecil Senn

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SENN:

May I ask if buses are used to any extent at all in carrying mail from one point to another, and whether that comes under this item. I understand that from time to time newspapers are carried by bus, but I do not know whether or not the cost is borne by the newspaper companies themselves. I should like to know if there is any use made of the buses.

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

The bus service comes under the following item. This has to do with the railway mail service.

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June 1, 1938