May 23, 1938

LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

No.

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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART:

Who determines the value of the animal slaughtered? If the owner insists the animal is extremely valuable, and the department thinks it is not so valuable, how is a value arrived at?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

A specially appointed veterinary surgeon really makes the valuation. If there is any dispute, a second one may be called in; but the valuation by the department is final.

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CON

Thomas Alfred Thompson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. THOMPSON:

Is it the intention to have the counties just named thoroughly checked during the coming summer, or in what manner does the department proceed? No doubt these counties have gone through the necessary requirements in connection with restricted areas.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

The work will probably be started in all of these counties just as soon as we can get at it, during the early part of the summer. Some of them will be completed, but possibly not all. The endeavour will be made to get over them, and to complete the first inspection during the coming summer, if possible.

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CON

George James Tustin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TUSTIN:

When is the second test made?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

The second test is supposed to be made sixty days after the first one. A period of sixty days must elapse, and the test is not made until the expiration of that time. In some instances it might not be completed during the year, but would be carried over into the following year.

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CON

Norman James Macdonald Lockhart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LOCKHART:

My experience leads me to believe that objections have been raised in some areas. Could the minister tell me what the objections have been to the establishment of restricted areas. I have in mind one county which has raised considerable protest.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

There are very few objections made to the establishment of these areas, but where it is made it is usually by those who are raising cattle for beef purposes. Very seldom do we have objection from those raising cattle for dairy purposes. The other evening I read into Hansard a statement showing the results in a great many districts. If the hon. member would turn up Hansard, on the date our main estimates were before the committee, he would find a statement indicating that great progress had been made in the matter of eliminating tuberculosis from all those areas.

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CON

Norman James Macdonald Lockhart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LOCKHART:

I have read the statement referred to by the minister. There are still some areas where it is proposed to put these regulations into effect, and some objection is made, more particularly to the rates of compensation. Would it be possible to increase the compensation?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

I can quite understand that where an animal valued at from $200 to $300 is slaughtered and the owner receives no more than $150, there would be cause for complaint. However, the department has always taken the position that where an individual allows tuberculosis to develop in his herd he should assume some responsibility. The limit of compensation has been set at $150, and it has been found over many years that this is accepted fairly generally as liberal compensation.

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LIB

William John Ward

Liberal

Mr. WARD:

It might be of interest to some hon. members from agricultural districts to know the experience I had in connection *with tuberculosis. In 1921 I had a herd of pure bred cattle which were tested for tuberculosis, and I lost almost $6,000 worth. The last animal reacted in 1922; my herd is still under the dominion government accredited plan, and I have had no reactors since. Apparently the serums Used are perfect. At that time the maximum compensation allowed

was $160. I lost several animals ranging in value from $1,000 down to $400, but I was perfectly satisfied with the settlement. As the minister has said, I felt that I should accept some responsibility for the fact that I had a herd with a number of tubercular animals in it, and I have never regretted having cleaned up my herd at that time. My advice to anyone who has not had his herd tested is to do so without delay and come under the dominion government accredited plan.

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Item agreed to. Compensation to owners of animals affected with diseases coming under the operation of the Animal Contagious Diseases Act, which have died or have been slaughtered under circumstances unprovided for under the above act and regulations thereunder, $1,200.91.


CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART:

This is a small item, and the only comment I have to make is in connection with the last few lines which read: -which have died or have been slaughtered under circumstances unprovided for under the above act and regulations thereunder.

If they do not come under the act or under the regulations, what claim have these people for compensation?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Strictly speaking, for the owner to receive compensation under the act, an animal must be slaughtered. There have been instances where animals have died immediately after they have been tested. Such animals are not slaughtered, and this is to provide for compensation in such instances.

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CON

Harry James Barber

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARBER:

Would that take care of compensation for hog cholera?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

No; tuberculosis only.

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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART:

Is the payment on the same basis as though the animal had been slaughtered?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Yes; on the same basis.

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CON

Grote Stirling

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

With the exception of one in New Brunswick and one in British Columbia, all the amounts are to be paid in Ontario and Quebec. Why is this?

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May 23, 1938