May 20, 1938

LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

Of course no such step

could be taken without legislation passed by this parliament. Whenever the time comes, if it is ever considered, it will have to be approved by parliament.

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René-Antoine Pelletier

Social Credit

Mr. PELLETIER:

To put the matter

simply, there has been no official communication to that effect?

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LIB
CON

Grote Stirling

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

Have the Eskimos begun yet to make use of the reindeer for food and clothing?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

Yes. The reports that we get of the value of the reindeer quite support the view which was held when they were originally introduced to that part of the Northwest Territories. They are providing not only food but clothing. Consideration is being given to providing some of the more advanced Eskimos with a few head of reindeer with a view to domesticating the animals, as has happened in certain parts of Europe.

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CON

Grote Stirling

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

That was the idea originally, was it not?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

I do not know that any concrete steps have yet been taken with regard to it. I understand that a small experiment is to be carried on in that direction this year. We are using the Eskimo wherever possible in herding the deer and looking after them, and in that way they are getting an acquaintanceship with them which, we hope, ultimately will

bring about a condition whereunder the Eskimos will have their own small herds and be dependent upon them. Not only can they get food and clothing by this means, but they probably can use them for transportation purposes, as they are used,-1 believe, in Lapland.

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CON

Grote Stirling

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

Are the reindeer being allowed to spread and breed and so populate the areas further north?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

No, up to the present time they have all been kept in herd. That has to be done in order to protect them from the wolves, and to build up the herd.

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George Halsey Perley

Mr. PERLEY:

I wish to bring to the attention of the minister a request which I have had from the young men's section of the Saskatoon board of trade to convey to the government their desire to retain a certain wild life exhibit in Prince Albert national park. I can place the case before the minister best by reading a letter I have received from the young men's section of the Saskatoon board of trade. It is addressed to myself and is as follows:

This exhibit is of great educational value and has proven an outstanding attraction for tourists and visitors to the park. We understand that Mr. Lund has received offers for his exhibit from United States interests and we believe that if no action to retain it is taken by the dominion government, it will be lost to Canada.

We feel that the dominion government should consider, as part of their policy to build museums throughout Canada, the possibility of constructing a building at the Prince Albert national park. Arrangements could be made with Mr. Lund for his exhibit and for himself to act as curator.

If this suggestion is carried out, the exhibit could be moved for the winter months to some larger centre in Saskatchewan for the benefit of winter visitors.

We strongly protest the action taken in asking Mr. Lund to remove his exhibit from the park and would greatly appreciate any assistance you may be able to give to have this fine exhibit retained in Canada and in Saskatchewan.

Can the minister give us any information with regard to this matter? Would they consider retaining that exhibit? It seems to be of great value from the tourist point of view.

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

The information in the

letter read by my hon. friend is not quite correct. Mr. Lund was not asked to remove the exhibit from the park. There were some negotiations with him with regard to the amount of money he should receive. The park officials thought the consideration he was asking was rather large, and, of course, if they had been unable to get together the exhibit would have -been removed. But arrangements have been made with Mr. Lund

Supply-Northwest Territories

to leave the exhibit in the park on the same terms as last year. The matter will be before me probably to-morrow, I am advised by my officials, and the arrangement will be carried through on that basis. The exhibit will remain in the park on the same basis as last year. There was no request to Mr. Lund to remove it from the park. I wish to make that very clear. There was 'a difference as to the amount of consideration that Mr. Lund thought he was entitled to, but that has been smoothed out in the way I have indicated.

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George Halsey Perley

Mr. PERLEY:

My letter is dated May 3.

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

That probably explains it.

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SC

William Hayhurst

Social Credit

Mr. HAYHURST:

How many reindeer are in the Northwest Territories at the present time and what success has been achieved?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

Will the hon. member be good enough to speak louder. There is a lot of talking going on.

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Frederick George Sanderson (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

Order. I would request

that there be less talking among hon: members. It is difficult to hear those who are speaking.

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SC

William Hayhurst

Social Credit

Mr. HAYHURST:

I was asking whether the minister could tell us the number of reindeer in the Northwest Territories at the present time.

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

A few months ago on the last report there were over 4,000. When they were brought into the region east of the Mackenzie delta there were 2,300 odd in the herd and that has increased now, according to the last report, to something over 4,000. The fawning season is on now.

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CON

Harry Gladstone Clarke

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLARKE (Rosedale):

Will the' minister please give me a breakdown of hospitalization, professional and other special services, grants to schools, assistance to industrial homes, $54,810? What does "professional and other special services" mean? Would that be medical and dental services?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

These are the figures for Anglican missions: Hospitals, $13,245; day schools, $1,537-1 am giving only the dollars- residential schools, $9,137, a total of $23,919. For the Roman Catholic missions in the western Arctic: hospitals, $10,877; day schools, $1,750; residential schools, $10,360, or a totai of $22,987. There is just a little less than 81,000 difference in the amounts contributed under the various headings to the Church of England and the Roman Catholic missions.

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May 20, 1938