May 18, 1938

CON

Harry Gladstone Clarke

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLARKE (Rosedale):

Last year,

according to the estimates, his salary was $6,000, and from now on it will be $7,500.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

It will all appear in one vote now. As a matter of fact, he was receiving $7,000 last year, though the salary for the position of director was $6,000. He obtained another $1,000 from another source, so that his salary was actually $7,000. Now it is being consolidated and there is an increase of $500.

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Leslie Gordon Bell

Mr. COLD WELL:

Last year and this year again I raised the question of labourers' wages on experimental farms. I understand that the rate of pay was increased for seasonal workers from twenty-one to twenty-five cents an hour, which was something. Many of these men are married and they work only a few months, so that they find it difficult to make sufficient in the summer to carry them through the winter. Moreover, I have been given to understand that conditions on the Scott experimental farm in regard to boarding houses and so on require the attention of the inspectors. I do not know whether complaints of that kind are justified, but recently I received a letter asking me to bring the matter

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to the attention of the minister. I was going to do so by letter, but the opportunity has arisen this afternoon and I am mentioning the matter. With regard to these men who are working on the farms, the seasonal workers, some further consideration should be given them especially, as was pointed out by an hon. member sitting to my right, in view of the fact that large increases are given sometimes to heads of departments, increases that might well be distributed among the more poorly paid workers. If the conditions at some of the experimental farms in regard to boarding places require inspection, I suggest that the matter might be checked up.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Of course, complaints

do come in occasionally with regard to conditions in boarding houses in connection with all activities, and we receive such complaints in connection with the farms. The conditions are always investigated as soon as possible after the complaints are received and are dealt with. So far as labour on the farms is concerned, there are two sides to the question. We try to pay a reasonable wage, but sometimes we come into conflict with those who are engaging agricultural assistants in the community and who consider that we overpay. We try to strike a happy medium and pay a reasonable rate without doing any injury in the district itself.

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SC

René-Antoine Pelletier

Social Credit

Mr. PELLETIER:

What happens to produce grown on the experimental farms?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

A great deal of what is produced is used experimentally. Some of it is fed on the farms, and some commodity such as milk is sold in some communities. We try to sell it in such a way as not to create competition with persons engaged in private industry.

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SC

René-Antoine Pelletier

Social Credit

Mr. PELLETIER:

There must be a vast quantity of vegetables grown on the experimental farms, more than can be used on the farm itself. Is it given away to charitable organizations, or is it sold?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Some of the vegetables are grown for storage tests and those, of course, are put in storage. Many of the vegetables grown are of so many types and varieties that there is no sale for them in bulk. They are fed, if there is stock to consume them, or they are disposed of in some other way. There is no general policy, there being no sale for them.

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SC

René-Antoine Pelletier

Social Credit

Mr. PELLETIER:

We have an experimental farm in Ottawa, and undoubtedly they must grow a vast quantity of vegetables of all sorts. There are many people in the city without gardens who could possibly use that

surplus. I am not referring to anything of value for experimental purposes, but the surplus that is not used could be distributed to those who have not gardens of their own and who would appreciate a supply of fresh vegetables in the winter. I think it would be a nice gesture for the department to offer to give these surplus vegetables to poor people, until the supply is exhausted.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

There is really only one way in which that could be done without difficulty; that is, to give it to hospitals, or to the Red Cross or the Salvation Army or such organizations to distribute. It would be very difficult for the farmers to distribute it themselves, and decide who is entitled and who is not. The wholesalers take anything that is of value.

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CON

Harry James Barber

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARBER:

Is there some revenue from the sale of pure bred breeding stock?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Yes; there is a certain revenue.

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CON

Mark Cecil Senn

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SENN:

I referred a moment ago to

the experiments with landrace hogs. Last year we had some startling figures placed on Hansard) by the hon. member for Wellington North (Mr. Blair). They seemed to indicate that the early maturing quality of these hogs in comparison with other types experimented with at the farm is almost incredible. Could the minister tell us briefly what experiments have been carried on during the past year and the results in relation to early maturity, and their adaptability for bacon?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

The results of the experiments carried on to date have been given publicity through the press. A complete statement has been put out. I have not the report before me at the moment or I would read it. Generally speaking, the results show that there are some advantages in the type of hog that was introduced, and some disadvantages. From the experiments to date, it is not considered that there is sufficient balance of advantages over disadvantages to warrant attempting to interfere with the type we now have pretty well established across Canada, the Yorkshire type.

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CON

Harry Gladstone Clarke

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLARKE (Rosedale):

For freight, express and cartage the amount this year is $50; last year it was $490. Would the minister give the break-down of the 1937-38 expenditure, and why he anticipates only $50 this year?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

There has been a redistribution as a result of the reorganization; part of the item is now in administration and part under the central experimental farm.

Questions

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CON

Ernest Edward Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PERLEY:

Would the minister give a statement concerning the experiments carried out at Indian Head and other stations in Saskatchewan with respect to rust resisting wheat, and when we may expect to have a general distribution of the varieties being experimented with during the last year?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

That would properly

come under the next item or the one following that.

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Item agreed to. Central experimental farm, Ottawa, $594,135.


LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

As a result of the

experiments carried on at Indian Head in connection with rust resistant wheats, there are three unnamed varieties now being carried under numbers. If they prove entirely successful, they will be distributed. There has been some distribution this last year of Thatcher wheat and Renown as well. But these other three varieties being developed we hope will be even better than those which have been distributed.

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May 18, 1938