May 9, 1938

LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

Every one of these will reach the board of review.

Topic:   FARMERS' CREDITORS ARRANGEMENT ACT
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CON

Mark Cecil Senn

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SENN:

How many appeals that have not yet been heard will reach the board of review?

Topic:   FARMERS' CREDITORS ARRANGEMENT ACT
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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

That is the number.

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Section agreed to. On section 5-No new proposal after a certain date.


LIB

Elie-Oscar Bertrand

Liberal

Mr. BERTRAND (Prescott):

Before this section carries, I wish to say a few words on behalf of the farmers of the most easterly part of Ontario. I see that the operation of the act has been more or less broadened in sections 1 and 2, and frankly our farmers do not want this act so broadened. I did not say anything on those sections because it might suit other parts of the country, but in our district it is now very difficult for farmers to borrow money from banks or private individuals owing to the operation of the Farmers'

Farmers' Creditors Act

Creditors Arrangement Act in the past. We claim that the act no longer gives the benefits which it was intended to afford the debtor, and it has made it almost impossible to obtain mortgages on farms, in the last few years and particularly in the last few months. Confidence is more or less gone because the secured creditor cannot realize security on a loan on a farm, so that a real hardship has been caused to creditors who were dependent upon incomes from farm mortgages. Old people whose savings were in the form of farm loans or mortgages must now in many instances ask for old age pensions. Farmers of integrity in our district are really opposed to the act. Many resolutions have been passed to that effect. Farmers' sons are forced off the land, and have to find a living somewhere else, and they deserve some credit. Speaking for the section of the country I represent, I can say that some worthy cases have not yet gone to the board of review, and therefore a certain lapse of time should be allowed by the government in order to give such people an opportunity to make an application. But this period should not be interminable. I absolutely agree with the hon. member for Leeds, and would recommend to the Minister of Finance that between now and the first of July is an ample period in which to receive such applications. After that date no applications should be received for reductions in farm debts under this act in Ontario.

Topic:   FARMERS' CREDITORS ARRANGEMENT ACT
Subtopic:   BOARDS OF REVIEW, TIME LIMIT FOR FILING PROPOSALS, ETC.
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CON

Alexander James Anderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ANDERSON:

I have great pleasure in supporting the remarks made by the hon. member who has just spoken. It is left with the governor in council to determine the date after which no action shall be taken under the act. In my opinion enough wrong and injustice has already been done in Ontario to justify the minister in fixing the first day of July or, if this house should rise before that date, in deciding that the act should become operative in regard to this matter as soon as assented to by the governor general. I am altogether opposed to the act. If I had my way I would rescind the whole act as far as Ontario was concerned, and there would be less injustice done to the farmers and to the investors of Ontario than the benefit to be obtained by those 1,100 who have made application under it. In Ontario it is only the unprogressive and inefficient and-yes, dishonest-farmers who are asking relief under this act.

Topic:   FARMERS' CREDITORS ARRANGEMENT ACT
Subtopic:   BOARDS OF REVIEW, TIME LIMIT FOR FILING PROPOSALS, ETC.
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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Oh, oh.

Topic:   FARMERS' CREDITORS ARRANGEMENT ACT
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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART:

At the present time.

Topic:   FARMERS' CREDITORS ARRANGEMENT ACT
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CON

Alexander James Anderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ANDERSON:

It is not resorted to by the progressive, scientific, efficient and honest farmers.

Topic:   FARMERS' CREDITORS ARRANGEMENT ACT
Subtopic:   BOARDS OF REVIEW, TIME LIMIT FOR FILING PROPOSALS, ETC.
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LIB

Elie-Oscar Bertrand

Liberal

Mr. BERTRAND (Prescott):

A moment ago I made a plea to have this law amended so that it would not apply after July 1, but I do not want to be associated with the expression of the hon. member for High Park (Mr. Anderson) who states that some farmers seek dishonestly to take advantage of the act.

Topic:   FARMERS' CREDITORS ARRANGEMENT ACT
Subtopic:   BOARDS OF REVIEW, TIME LIMIT FOR FILING PROPOSALS, ETC.
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SC

Robert Fair

Social Credit

Mr. FAIR:

May I ask the hon. member for High Park whether he confines that remark to the farmers of Ontario, or applies it to the farmers of Canada generally?

Topic:   FARMERS' CREDITORS ARRANGEMENT ACT
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CON

Alexander James Anderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ANDERSON:

I am speaking of Ontario, and I do not think I am very far out. The act is not needed and not wanted by a very large majority in Ontario. It may be needed in certain other provinces, but if the western provinces had been fortunate in the last eight years in having as fair a crop as Ontario has had we would never have heard of it from them. There are many in western Canada who are not taking advantage of 'this act, because they dislike to appear in a role which has the appearance of dishonesty. There are many in the western provinces taking advantage of that act, just as in Ontario, simply because of their own inefficiency and dishonesty.

Topic:   FARMERS' CREDITORS ARRANGEMENT ACT
Subtopic:   BOARDS OF REVIEW, TIME LIMIT FOR FILING PROPOSALS, ETC.
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LIB

Elie-Oscar Bertrand

Liberal

Mr. BERTRAND (Prescott):

I again

protest against the suggestion of dishonesty as applied to any farmer in my section of the country.

Topic:   FARMERS' CREDITORS ARRANGEMENT ACT
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SC

Robert Fair

Social Credit

Mr. FAIR:

I would remind the hon. member that farmers of the west found it necessary to do what they did because of the dishonesty of some of those with whom they had been dealing, and are still dealing to-day.

Topic:   FARMERS' CREDITORS ARRANGEMENT ACT
Subtopic:   BOARDS OF REVIEW, TIME LIMIT FOR FILING PROPOSALS, ETC.
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IND

Alan Webster Neill

Independent

Mr. NEILL:

I hope it will be remembered that the opportunities of this act were largely relied upon by the Minister of Mines and Resources (Mr. Crerar) when he was putting through the amendment to the Soldier Settlement Act and some of us were complaining that the extension of the soldiers' bonus which he provided did not go nearly far enough. It will be recalled that we wanted it as it was before; but what was given was a very limited amount, and time and again when we asked him what the settlers would do in a certain event he said they could get relief or assistance under the Farmers' Creditors Arrangement Act. I think the minister will admit that he

dwelt very largely on that, and I think the Minister of Finance (Mr. Dunning) himself was kind enough to say in answer to a question I asked, that he would weigh very carefully the question of discontinuing the act in any particular province. I ask him to be kind enough to renew that promise in view of the suggestions made that the act is not needed in Ontario; but in British Columbia I submit it is. So I hope he will be very careful before he takes that step as regards British Columbia.

Topic:   FARMERS' CREDITORS ARRANGEMENT ACT
Subtopic:   BOARDS OF REVIEW, TIME LIMIT FOR FILING PROPOSALS, ETC.
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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

To recommend to my

colleagues action under this section is a responsibility which will be far from pleasant as far as I am concerned, because I am quite sure, in view of the violent differences of view with respect to this act on both sides and in all provinces, that I shall receive a great deal of abuse no matter which course may be adopted. I assure the hon. member for Comox-Alberni (Mr. Neill) that I shall bear in mind also that he is a pretty efficient protester in regard to anything which he thinks is not fair to his province, and that I shall incur his wrath if in any recommendation I fail to take into account the views which he has expressed. Of course one will have to weigh very carefully all the evidence and representations before making such a recommendation. I am not pleased to have to put before the house a provision of this sort, Ro minister who has any experience likes to be charged with such responsibility as this places upon him. He would much prefer to have parliament assume the responsibility and either put the act out or keep it in. But this appears to be the only method whereby we can conserve such advantages as may exist to the agriculturists of some sections, and at the same time get rid of the disadvantages which others allege have flowed from the operation of the act in other sections. I can only say that I shall try to discharge that very difficult task to the best of my ability.

Topic:   FARMERS' CREDITORS ARRANGEMENT ACT
Subtopic:   BOARDS OF REVIEW, TIME LIMIT FOR FILING PROPOSALS, ETC.
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CON

Thomas Alfred Thompson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. THOMPSON:

Would the minister

state whether he intends to make this a permanent law in this country or not?

Topic:   FARMERS' CREDITORS ARRANGEMENT ACT
Subtopic:   BOARDS OF REVIEW, TIME LIMIT FOR FILING PROPOSALS, ETC.
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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

My hon. friend is an

old parliamentarian; he knows that ministers do not make laws; parliament makes laws. In view of the expressions of opinion that have been given respecting this measure, I certainly do not regard it as a fixture in the statute books of this country.

Topic:   FARMERS' CREDITORS ARRANGEMENT ACT
Subtopic:   BOARDS OF REVIEW, TIME LIMIT FOR FILING PROPOSALS, ETC.
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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART:

I do not think it will

be allowed to remain a fixture. The minister will recall that when the act was introduced provision was made for the introduction of it

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in different parts of Canada by proclamation at different times. It was realized that conditions were different in different provinces and different sections; that its provisions might be very much more effective in one part of the dominion than in others, and that it might be desirable to have it in force in one province and not in another. Another matter that has caused difficulty is the administration of the act. It is a difficult act to administer.

Topic:   FARMERS' CREDITORS ARRANGEMENT ACT
Subtopic:   BOARDS OF REVIEW, TIME LIMIT FOR FILING PROPOSALS, ETC.
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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

Very.

Topic:   FARMERS' CREDITORS ARRANGEMENT ACT
Subtopic:   BOARDS OF REVIEW, TIME LIMIT FOR FILING PROPOSALS, ETC.
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May 9, 1938