March 28, 1938

CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Yes; he is restricted as to the number, but I am talking about the repairs and the feed and fodder. The limit is $200 for each quarter section?

Topic:   SEED GRAIN
Subtopic:   GUARANTEE OF LOANS FOR PURCHASE OF SEED AND OTHER ASSISTANCE IN SEEDING OPERATIONS IN WESTERN PROVINCES
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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

Including the seed.

Topic:   SEED GRAIN
Subtopic:   GUARANTEE OF LOANS FOR PURCHASE OF SEED AND OTHER ASSISTANCE IN SEEDING OPERATIONS IN WESTERN PROVINCES
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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Well, I asked if that included the seed.

Topic:   SEED GRAIN
Subtopic:   GUARANTEE OF LOANS FOR PURCHASE OF SEED AND OTHER ASSISTANCE IN SEEDING OPERATIONS IN WESTERN PROVINCES
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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

It includes everything.

Topic:   SEED GRAIN
Subtopic:   GUARANTEE OF LOANS FOR PURCHASE OF SEED AND OTHER ASSISTANCE IN SEEDING OPERATIONS IN WESTERN PROVINCES
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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

That is the outside limit of everything.

Topic:   SEED GRAIN
Subtopic:   GUARANTEE OF LOANS FOR PURCHASE OF SEED AND OTHER ASSISTANCE IN SEEDING OPERATIONS IN WESTERN PROVINCES
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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Perhaps I had better

read section 10, which clears the matter up:

A municipality which has borrowed money under this act shall from time to time expend it in the purchase and distribution of seed grain and supplies to be furnished to farmers who are unable to purchase the same without assistance and who have become unable to do so by reason of failure of crops or other adverse conditions; but the municipality shall not advance in any year seed grain and supplies of greater value than $200 in respect of any one quarter section.

That is the maximum limit for any one quarter section.

Topic:   SEED GRAIN
Subtopic:   GUARANTEE OF LOANS FOR PURCHASE OF SEED AND OTHER ASSISTANCE IN SEEDING OPERATIONS IN WESTERN PROVINCES
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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

In the case of oats and rye the situation would be different from that in the case of wheat.

Topic:   SEED GRAIN
Subtopic:   GUARANTEE OF LOANS FOR PURCHASE OF SEED AND OTHER ASSISTANCE IN SEEDING OPERATIONS IN WESTERN PROVINCES
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CON

Grote Stirling

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

What is the total amount of money which the dominion government has guaranteed and which it has to mp?t?

Topic:   SEED GRAIN
Subtopic:   GUARANTEE OF LOANS FOR PURCHASE OF SEED AND OTHER ASSISTANCE IN SEEDING OPERATIONS IN WESTERN PROVINCES
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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I gave that the other

day.

Topic:   SEED GRAIN
Subtopic:   GUARANTEE OF LOANS FOR PURCHASE OF SEED AND OTHER ASSISTANCE IN SEEDING OPERATIONS IN WESTERN PROVINCES
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CON

Grote Stirling

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

It is on Hansard?

Topic:   SEED GRAIN
Subtopic:   GUARANTEE OF LOANS FOR PURCHASE OF SEED AND OTHER ASSISTANCE IN SEEDING OPERATIONS IN WESTERN PROVINCES
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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I have it, but it is on Hansard. I gave it on the resolution.

Topic:   SEED GRAIN
Subtopic:   GUARANTEE OF LOANS FOR PURCHASE OF SEED AND OTHER ASSISTANCE IN SEEDING OPERATIONS IN WESTERN PROVINCES
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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I am not deterred from doing what I conceive to be my duty by the criticism that I am not a farmer; I am dealing with legislation only as such. Might it not be desirable to incorporate in the statute the regulations that at the moment are purely regulations? Shortly put, the only protection we have here with respect to either of these provinces is the maximum of the amount we may guarantee.

Topic:   SEED GRAIN
Subtopic:   GUARANTEE OF LOANS FOR PURCHASE OF SEED AND OTHER ASSISTANCE IN SEEDING OPERATIONS IN WESTERN PROVINCES
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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

It must be used for certain purposes.

Seed Grain

Topic:   SEED GRAIN
Subtopic:   GUARANTEE OF LOANS FOR PURCHASE OF SEED AND OTHER ASSISTANCE IN SEEDING OPERATIONS IN WESTERN PROVINCES
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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

We are not going to have control of that. That is my whole point. You start with the municipality. The Minister of Agriculture has dwelt upon the desirability of including the municipality because of the knowledge they have of local conditions. But, while the Minister of Finance is the custodian of the country's money, the bald fact is that the amounts of $1,900,000 for Alberta and $14,500,000 for Saskatchewan constitute the only limitation imposed in connection with this whole matter. You can think it over as carefully as you may. I have been sitting here for the last fifteen minutes going over it as carefully as I can.

Topic:   SEED GRAIN
Subtopic:   GUARANTEE OF LOANS FOR PURCHASE OF SEED AND OTHER ASSISTANCE IN SEEDING OPERATIONS IN WESTERN PROVINCES
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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

The terms of the statute are fairly explicit.

Topic:   SEED GRAIN
Subtopic:   GUARANTEE OF LOANS FOR PURCHASE OF SEED AND OTHER ASSISTANCE IN SEEDING OPERATIONS IN WESTERN PROVINCES
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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I know. But the provincial statute has been worked out by the people on the spot. What we thought of as a statute is purely regulation, and the government is introduced as one of the bodies that determine the matter, but as far as the Dominion of Canada and its taxpayers are concerned the only limitations imposed on our liability are those two amounts of $1,900,000 and $14,500,000. That is the reason why I started out with the idea that we should endeavour to impose some limitation in the way of conditions in the statute itself and make it a criminal offence to endeavour to violate it, because in communities there are rackets that arise which one little expects. I could give day and date with respect to some that have occurred in all parts of the country. We have them in every province; we all know that. All one has to do is to take the reports which come in sometimes from the mounted police, and one can find out without much difficulty what happens in some of these communities. No one for a moment questions the honesty of the great majority of the people. But when one is dealing with something which belongs to a government, the rule of conduct is not the same. I do not see sufficient safeguards in the legislation. However, I am not going to labour the matter further.

Topic:   SEED GRAIN
Subtopic:   GUARANTEE OF LOANS FOR PURCHASE OF SEED AND OTHER ASSISTANCE IN SEEDING OPERATIONS IN WESTERN PROVINCES
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Section agreed to. On section 4-Governor in council to approve form and terms of guarantees.


CON

Grote Stirling

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

Would the minister be good enough to repeat that figure-I have been looking through his statements of the other day and I do not find it-with respect to the total amount of guarantees over the seven or eight years during which the dominion government has made those guarantees.

Topic:   SEED GRAIN
Subtopic:   GUARANTEE OF LOANS FOR PURCHASE OF SEED AND OTHER ASSISTANCE IN SEEDING OPERATIONS IN WESTERN PROVINCES
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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

Well, the guarantee

method was applied only in 1936 and 1937. Prior to that time the government lent money to the province and the province bought the seed with the money lent to it by the federal government of that day. I assume my hon. friend does not wish me to go back that far.

Topic:   SEED GRAIN
Subtopic:   GUARANTEE OF LOANS FOR PURCHASE OF SEED AND OTHER ASSISTANCE IN SEEDING OPERATIONS IN WESTERN PROVINCES
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CON

Grote Stirling

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

What I wanted to arrive at, even though it was only in the form of a rough figure, is what has it cost Canada to assist the farmers of the drought area on to their feet again?

Topic:   SEED GRAIN
Subtopic:   GUARANTEE OF LOANS FOR PURCHASE OF SEED AND OTHER ASSISTANCE IN SEEDING OPERATIONS IN WESTERN PROVINCES
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March 28, 1938