March 10, 1938

LIB

Walter Edward Foster (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

I think the hon. member has a right, as the Minister of Justice and other hon. members have said, to state his point of order and make his position clear; but I do not think, in view of the decision I rendered some time ago, that it is his right to put into the record documents and letters and telegrams from persons outside the house.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

What is taking place at the moment is merely an explanation to clear up a situation which never should have arisen,

Privilege-Mr. Perley

because the ruling of the Speaker is that the telegram from Mr. Taggart should not have been on the record. It is because it is improperly on the record that the effort is now made to clear it up, and on which the question of privilege arises.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE (Quebec East):

It is twice wrong, or perhaps three times.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Put yourself in his position.

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CON

Ernest Edward Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PERLEY:

On hearing the last statement I directed the following letter to Mr. Hunt:

Would you please let me have by return mail-

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Order.

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CON

Ernest Edward Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PERLEY:

I asked the municipality for a statement as to whether they had supplied seed grain in 1935, 1936 and 1937 to Mr. Laidlaw. The reply was this-

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Order.

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CON

Ernest Edward Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PERLEY:

Well, the reply was to the effect that they had not supplied Mr. Laidlaw with one bushel of seed during the years 1936 or 1937, nor one dollar's worth of feed. That is the reply signed by the secretary of the municipality.

Now, Mr. Speaker, I think the statement I have made so far proves conclusively that the telegram with respect to providing free freight and seed to Mr. Laidlaw was incorrect and was not a statement of fact. The latter part of the wire was more or less a personal attack on me, or was injected into the wire for the purpose of doing me a personal injury. I do not for one moment think that the Minister of Agriculture would desire to do that knowingly; not at all, and I am not charging him with that. But I am saying that he was grossly misinformed.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

On a point of order,

Mr. Speaker, I think the hon. member, in view of your ruling, is putting me in an impossible position, because I cannot reply. I should like to suggest that there is a proper opportunity for him to discuss this matter. When my estimates are before the house he can put on the record everything he is now seeking to put on, and I shall be quite prepared to deal with it at that time.

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CON

Ernest Edward Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PERLEY:

I want to refer to the concluding paragraph of the wire, which relates to myself.

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LIB

Walter Edward Foster (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order. If this is a question of privilege, I think the hon. member ought to be satisfied now, and if he desires to say anything further, when the estimates of the Department of Agriculture are before the house he can deal fully with the whole matter again. He has stated his point.

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CON

Ernest Edward Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PERLEY:

Mr. Speaker-

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Order.

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LIB

Walter Edward Foster (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

The hon. member has explained his point of privilege.

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CON

Ernest Edward Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PERLEY:

As a matter of privilege, Mr. Speaker, I ask you to delete the latter part of that wire from the records of this house. I do so because it was injected for the purpose of doing me an injury. I am drawing your attention to the ruling you made on February 14, recorded on page 382. In the concluding paragraph you said:

The house may be indulgent in these matters but it is a well known principle that a statement made in this house cannot be contradicted by a statement made by a person who is not a member of the house.

I therefore suggest that you delete the latter part of that wire, which has personal reference to me, from the records of the house.

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RADIO BROADCASTING

LICENCE FEE FOB RADIO SETS-QUESTION AS TO INCREASE, APPLICATION AND ABOLITION


On the orders of the day:


CON

Gordon Graydon

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON GRAYDON (Peel):

I should like to direct an inquiry to the government through the Minister of Transport (Mr. Howe). In view of the fact that the current fiscal year terminates exactly three weeks from now, and licences for radio receiving sets ordinarily must be purchased before that time, I wish to ask two questions:

1. Does the government intend to rescind before March 31 of this year the recent order in council increasing the licence fee for radio sets and otherwise altering its application?

2. Has the government given consideration to the suggestion which I made in this house on February 1 last that the licence fee be entirely abolished?

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March 10, 1938