March 10, 1938

CON

Mr. BROOKS:

Conservative (1867-1942)

1. During the year 1936-1937 and January and February, 1938, what tonnage of fuel coal was supplied the Canadian National Railways, by months, from each of the following districts: (a) Maccan; (b) Springhill; (c) New Glasgow; (d) other Nova Scotia districts?

2. What price is paid for Nova Scotia coal f.o.b. cars Canadian National Railways tracks at above districts?

3. What is the cost per ton mile for hauling fuel coal from Nova Scotia to New Brunswick points?

4. At what points in New Brunswick was the above mentioned Nova Scotia coal used, and what tonnage of each?

5. What is the policy of the Canadian National Railways in buying fuel coal?

6. Is competition developed between operators and districts, and all compelled to accept the lowest price offered?

7. Is any consideration given to the possibility of paying a proper standard of wages?

8. How much Canadian National Railways fuel coal is purchased in Nova Scotia for use in: (a) New Brunswick; (b) Nova Scotia; (c) Quebec; (d) Ontario?

9. How much New Brunswick coal is purchased for use in each of the above provinces?

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS-COAL
Permalink
LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

The management of the Canadian National Railways advise me that these three questions, 15, 16 and 17, refer to matters affecting the internal management of the Canadian National Railways, which it is not the practice to answer.

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS-COAL
Permalink
LIB

Walter Edward Foster (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

Dropped.

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS-COAL
Permalink

ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE-ALBERTA

SC

Mr. MARSHALL:

Social Credit

1. In what year did the province of Alberta enter into agreement with the government of the Dominion of Canada for the policing of that province by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police?

2. (a) What sums of money were paid yearly by the province to the dominion government for this service; (b) what sums of money were collected yearly by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in that province and paid directly to the dominion government?

Question as Order for Return

3. What has been the total yearly strength of all ranks from the beginning of contract in the province?

4. (a) How many of the personnel of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police presently stationed in Alberta were members of the old Alberta provincial police force; (b) what are their names, ranks and present salaries?

5. When was the present contract between the Alberta government and the dominion signed ?

6. How long has that contract still to run?

Mr. LAPOINTE (Quebec East); There was an agreement in 1905, when the province of Alberta was created, for the policing of that province by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. This agreement was effective until 1918. In that year the province created its own police force and had it in operation until 1932, when a new agreement was entered into and is still in force. I suppose the hon. member has in mind the second agreement, and if that is so, I shall be pleased to answer; otherwise it will take a very long time and much work to answer as regards the past, between 1905 and 1917.

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE-ALBERTA
Permalink
SC

James Alexander Marshall

Social Credit

Mr. MARSHALL:

What the minister suggests will be quite satisfactory.

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE-ALBERTA
Permalink

QUESTION PASSED AS ORDER FOR RETURN

?

Mr. PERLEY:

1. What were the number of bushels of wheat in storage at Fort Churchill during the seasons 1935-36, 1936-37, 1937-38?

2. What was the amount of wheat in each of the above seasons held by the Canadian wheat board at Fort Churchill?

3. What were the amount of storage charged against same, the names of the parties to whom sold by the Canadian wheat board, and the quantities in each case, during the above years?

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   QUESTION PASSED AS ORDER FOR RETURN
Sub-subtopic:   WHEAT IN STORAGE AT CHURCHILL
Permalink

WENTWORTH COUNTY RIFLE RANGE


On the orders of the day: Mr. F. E. LENNARD (Wentworth); I wish to ask a question of the Minister of National Defence (Mr. Mackenzie). Will the rifle range that is to be constructed in Wentworth county be a 1,000 yard range?


LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Hon. IAN MACKENZIE (Minister of National Defence):

This question has been referred to headquarters of Military District No. 2, and, with the concurrence of the nonpermanent active militia, it has been recommended that the range be 800 yards. If necessary, however, it can be extended to 1,000 yards.

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   WENTWORTH COUNTY RIFLE RANGE
Permalink

PRIVILEGE-MR. PERLEY FREIGHT ASSISTANCE ON LIVE STOCK SHIPPED TO FEEDING GROUNDS


On the orders of the day:


CON

Ernest Edward Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. E. E. PERLEY (Qu'Appelle):

On February 10 the Minister of Agriculture (Mr. Gardiner), on a question of privilege, read three telegrams into Hansard, the third of them being found on page 317. It is a telegram from the Minister of Agriculture of the province of Saskatchewan and reads:

Hon. J. G. Gardiner,

Minister of Agriculture,

Ottawa, Ontario.

Both Laidlaw applications investigated and recommended by municipal secretary and our district representative. Schuster came to Regina to complete freight arrangements after his application had been approved by municipality. Laidlaw until recently tenant of Perley but declines to continue. Municipality advanced seed and supplies to value of four hundred eighty-two dollars fifty-four cents in 1937, being about half amount desired by tenant and landlord. Termination of tenancy by Laidlaw may partly explain criticism. Understand tenancy has been unprofitable throughout to Laidlaw which reduced him to circumstances necessitating aid in shipment of live stock out.

On hearing that telegram read I felt sure that the greater part of it was not a statement of fact, that it was incorrect, and I therefore wrote to the secretary of the municipality.

Topic:   PRIVILEGE-MR. PERLEY FREIGHT ASSISTANCE ON LIVE STOCK SHIPPED TO FEEDING GROUNDS
Permalink
LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

On a point of order, I understood according to the ruling given that it was not permissible to read telegrams with reference to this particular matter, and I do hope that if the hon. member is going to be allowed to read a telegram now I shall have an opportunity to get one and read it.

Topic:   PRIVILEGE-MR. PERLEY FREIGHT ASSISTANCE ON LIVE STOCK SHIPPED TO FEEDING GROUNDS
Permalink
CON

Ernest Edward Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PERLEY:

This is a question of

privilege. The minister himself read several telegrams, and this is somewhat different from the point he is trying to make. I directed to the secretary of the municipality the following letter:

February 10, 1938.

Mr. Clifford Hunt, Sec.,

Rural Municipality,

Wolseley, Sask.

Mr. Gardiner and I have had some little altercation in the house and I would like a little information from you in order to verify a statement I made.

You will remember that last November when David Laidlaw was shipping out his cattle and horses to Manitoba, he made application for free freight and the question I want to know is, did he make application to the municipality to approve of his getting free freight and did the municipality recommend same and did George E. Biden approve of same. Also give me particulars with respect to the fourth car

Privilege-Mr. Perley

they shipped in the name of Wilfred Laidlaw. Did the municipality approve of his application for free freight and did Biden approve of it? As I understand it, the municipality did not approve or recommend the application of David Laidlaw for three cars and later the application of Wilfred Laidlaw for one car was turned down.

Please send me a night letter in reply to this giving me the particulars, sending collect to me at the House of Commons. Call Mr. Platt the reeve and get his approval of your statements in wire.

In reply to the foregoing communication I received the following letter rather than a telegram:

February 14, 1938.

E. E. Perley, Esq., M.P.,

Ottawa, Ontario.

Dear Sir:

In reply to your letter of the 10th instant I would advise that Mr. Laidlaw first went to Regina to the Department of Agriculture and requested from them freight assistance to ship out three cars of stock to Manitoba for winter feed. The Department of Agriculture referred him back to this office and this application was not presented to the council for their approval. I signed the recommendation and it was later signed by Mr. Biden and he was granted free freight on three cars.

Later, Wilfred Laidlaw made application for free freight on one car and I pointed out that if this stock was owned by David Laidlaw then he would not be able to get the required assistance as the maximum assistance given by the department was on three cars and he had already had this assistance. I believe, however, that Wilfred Laidlaw was later given assistance in shipping out one carload. I cannot recall Wilfred Laidlaw's car ever having gone through this office. I do not believe I signed same and I gave the matter no more thought until I received your letter yesterday. Wilfred Laidlaw did suggest that he might possibly pay the freight out on this car himself.

Yours truly,

C. J. Hunt.

On February 11, as will be found at page 359 of Hansard, the matter was again brought to the attention of the house by the right hon. the leader of the opposition (Mr. Bennett), who took exception to a personal reference in the telegram. Altogether apart from the matter of feed and seed he took exception to it on the ground that it was a personal reference. In reply the Minister of Agriculture made the following statement, which will be found at page 360:

In reply to that statement the telegram merely says that the hon. member himself together with Mr. Laidlaw made application to the government for consideration in relation to seed in the spring of last year.

Again, Mr. Speaker, I could not understand that statement and I directed another letter to the secretary of the municipality as follows-

Topic:   PRIVILEGE-MR. PERLEY FREIGHT ASSISTANCE ON LIVE STOCK SHIPPED TO FEEDING GROUNDS
Permalink
LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

I rise to a point of order. I would refer Your Honour to the ruling given on page 382 of Hansard of the present session. That ruling applied distinctly to the hon. member who is now speaking and to the Minister of Agriculture as well, and it was held that such comments from outside cannot properly be made.

Topic:   PRIVILEGE-MR. PERLEY FREIGHT ASSISTANCE ON LIVE STOCK SHIPPED TO FEEDING GROUNDS
Permalink
CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

That is not what is being dealt with. The Minister of Agriculture read into the record, improperly, I thought, a communication from the Minister of Agriculture of Saskatchewan, which communication directly attacked one of the members of this house. The hon. member is now merely clearing up that statement, and to preclude anyone from saying that he has not done it completely, he is reading a communication he sent in order that the answer may be understood. He is reading it so that it cannot be said that he has left out any part of the record. That is the position. Surely it is one of the privileges of a member of this house to take advantage of an opportunity such as this to put himself right when a statement has been made, reported in Hansard, by one not a member of this house, regarding himself. The hon. member has had no opportunity except this, and it is the highest privilege of a member of this house to place his position before the house when he is attacked by one not a member.

Topic:   PRIVILEGE-MR. PERLEY FREIGHT ASSISTANCE ON LIVE STOCK SHIPPED TO FEEDING GROUNDS
Permalink
LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

Please read between the lines now.

Topic:   PRIVILEGE-MR. PERLEY FREIGHT ASSISTANCE ON LIVE STOCK SHIPPED TO FEEDING GROUNDS
Permalink
LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE (Quebec East):

On the point of order, I did not raise a question because I thought we would waste valuable time discussing it. On a question of privilege an hon. member is entitled to rise in his place and make his own position clear by denial, or something equivalent thereto, but not to make a speech, bringing into his remarks outside comments, letters, telegrams or anything of that kind. The hon. gentleman is making a full fledged speech on this question of privilege. This is the first time I have seen this done, and especially affirmed as a right.

Topic:   PRIVILEGE-MR. PERLEY FREIGHT ASSISTANCE ON LIVE STOCK SHIPPED TO FEEDING GROUNDS
Permalink

March 10, 1938