March 1, 1938

LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

At the moment we are giving only the most advanced training courses in order to supply men for the trans-Canada operations. The school for this purpose was established in Winnipeg because of flying conditions and the fact that a radio beam and telephonic communications were there. Whether a second school of the kind will be required I doubt very much. However, we are studying the possible bridging of' the gap in the education of transport pilots, and in that connection we shall be very glad to consider the suitability of Toronto.

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CON

Norman James Macdonald Lockhart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LOCKHART:

The minister has stated that university education is a necessary qualification for a transport pilot. While I have every respect for university graduates, I think it is about time that men who may not have had a university education should be given an opportunity to become pilots in Trans-Canada Air Lines. It will be noticed in many advertisements for civil service positions that a necessary qualification is university education. But many men with great mechanical ability are training at the different airports, and it is possible they would make much better fliers and be more interested in the work than university graduates. Might not the qualifications be reduced to enable men with perhaps senior matriculation or technical school diplomas to engage in this work?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

There is hardly a pilot or co-pilot flying a transport plane to-day on the North American continent who is not a university graduate. The training is most exacting. For instance, a pilot must take a very advanced course in meteorology and must have an accurate knowledge of higher physics. He must be well-versed in thermodynamics and in the construction of internal combustion engines. I do not know that anything would prevent a man who had gradu-

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ated from a technical school and attained high proficiency in transport work from obtaining a place in a service of this kind. But two or three have been tried who had not rhe background necessary to enable them to master the work that was required of them, and they had to be rejected. It is simply that the technical school man has not the background to absorb the i training. It is a condition about which we cannot do very much; the training is required and the man should have it.

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CON

Norman James Macdonald Lockhart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LOCKHART:

I hope the minister will appreciate that I am not criticizing him, but I am informed that graduates of technical schools in Great Britain are permitted to go on to a school similar to the one in Winnipeg which he has outlined; that similar schools are provided in Britain, and that men without university training have gone into them and have become among the most successful pilots in Imperial Airways. Is that information correct, or are openings in the Imperial Airways service confined entirely to university graduates?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

I have not that information, but I doubt very much whether a man with less than university training is accepted for training as an Imperial Airways pilot.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

They were in the early days of the war.

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

That is probably true, but

such is not the case to-day.

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CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

How much will Canada

have to invest in this transatlantic service, and what percentages have been put up by Canada, Ireland and the United Kingdom?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

The percentage is 51 for the

United Kingdom. 244 for Ireland, and 24i for Canada, and our contribution is limited to one and a quarter million dollars.

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CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

When will that have to be paid?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

We are sending a delegate

to Ireland next month to discuss the formation of the company. I would estimate that it may be required about a year from now. We are committed to form the company only when a successful service has been established. The agreement provides that in the meantime Imperial Airways will do the pioneering.

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CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

Does Canada get any credit

for the facilities we are providing, the landing fields and so forth, on this side? I understand we are also providing facilities in Newfoundland. Is that correct?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

We are obligated to provide the beam facilities, the radio facilities and the meteorological services in Canada, and the meteorological service in Newfoundland. The British government has built an airway in Newfoundland and has also provided the radio facilities there. Ireland has done certain work, in Ireland, which takes care of the first leg of the journey. The obligations to furnish facilities are divided between the three countries more or less in proportion to their share of the operations.

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CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

That is in addition to the

capital investment?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

Yes.

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CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

Is not this the appropriate

time to take power in the act to enter into a contract for a transpacific service? After all, these air developments come very quickly; in a matter of a year or two we shall be working on a transpacific service, so that we might as well amend the act at the present time to cover that contingency.

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

I feel that in the matter of

transpacific service, parliament would ask me for more information than I am able to give at the moment. It takes so little time to amend the act that I think we had better leave this discussion until we have more information as to the amount of money that will be required.

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CON

Denton Massey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MASSEY:

What is to be the base or the terminus of the transatlantic service? Will it be in Newfoundland, or in Canada? In other words, will the trans-Canada lines extend to Newfoundland, or will Imperial Airways extend to Canada?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

It is all one operation. It is,

I believe, specified in the act that services will start from Southampton, England; that a landing place will be at Foynes, Ireland; that another intermediate point will be Bot-wood, in Newfoundland, and that the Canadian terminus will be Montreal, with an alternative landing place at Shediac should weather conditions make it desirable to utilize it.

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CON

Denton Massey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MASSEY:

Will boats be flown from

Newfoundland through to Montreal? Will Canadian ships pick up any transatlantic passengers in the maritimes; or will they be flown right through to Newfoundland?

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March 1, 1938