February 26, 1937

SC
LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

It is on the experience of last year. For the full year 1935-36 the vote was $3,250,000, of which we expended $2,892,531, leaving an amount of $357,468 unexpended. This year up to November 30 1936, we spent $1,595,932.96, and it is estimated that we shall be able to get through next year on $2,900,000.

Sainte Anne tie Bellevue

Camp Hill

Christie Street

Westminster

Deer Lodge

Colonel Belcher

Shauglinessy Heights.. . Lancaster

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James Alexander Marshall

Social Credit

Mr. MARSHALL:

Is the Colonel Belcher hospital in Calgary owned by the department or rented?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

No, it belongs to an estate

called the Blow estate, and is on lease to the department. I think the lease expires on April 1, 1938.

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James Alexander Marshall

Social Credit

Mr. MARSHALL:

What is the cost to the government?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

The rental is approximately $26,000 a year.

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James Alexander Marshall

Social Credit

Mr. MARSHALL:

Does the government

anticipate any change in the location of that hospital? It is on one of the main thoroughfares of the city, which to me is not a very good location. Would the government consider changing the location?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

When I was out in Calgary about this time last year, as a result of representations made by different soldier organizations I went into that question to some extent in the short time I was able to spend in

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Otto Buchanan Elliott

Social Credit

Mr. ELLIOTT (Kindersley):

What hospitals are engaged in this work, and in what provinces are they located?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

We have eight hospitals, as

follows:

Camp Hill, Halifax.

Lancaster, Saint John.

Sainte Anne de Bellevue, Montreal.

Christie Street, Toronto.

Westminster, London.

Deer Lodge, Winnipeg.

Colonel Belcher, Calgary.

Shaughnessy, Vancouver.

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Otto Buchanan Elliott

Social Credit

Mr. ELLIOTT (Kindersley):

Could the minister give us the amount designated for each hospital?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Of course all the hospitals

have not the same number of beds; some are very much larger than others. For instance, Westminster hospital has from 530 to 540 patients as a rule, while Sainte Anne de Bellevue hospital has in the neighbourhood of 500. As at March 31, 1936, the figures for these hospitals were as follows:

Number of Total Totalpatients patient days expenditure496 167,150 $379,687 54139 35,785 115,231 07347 113,076 403.848 37522 177,454 346.061 32189 67,082 131.955 7267 24,580 78,417 15142 50,199 164,108 5268 19,128 47,535 13

that city. I did not question each patient, but as far as I could ascertain the patients themselves seemed to prefer to remain in that location. I am quite aware of the fact that a large number of soldier organizations have protested and have continued to protest against having soldiers, especially those whose health is not very good, in a hospital which was once a factory, located in a congested district. But a large number of the patients there are walking cases, class 4, who prefer to be in the city where they can go down town at any time and go to the movies and so on. I can say to my hon. friend that I am still giving the matter some consideration. There will be complaints either way, and I am not quite sure whether it is to the advantage of the men themselves to maintain the hospital in that location or to provide accommodation elsewhere.

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James Alexander Marshall

Social Credit

Mr. MARSHALL:

Did I understand the

minister to say that the lease expires in 1938?

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Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Yes.

Sup-ply-Pensions-European War

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James Alexander Marshall

Social Credit

Mr. MARSHALL:

How long has that lease been in existence?

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Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

I imagine it was a ten year lease.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Yes, a ten year lease.

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Joseph Needham

Social Credit

Mr. NEEDHAM:

Could the minister give the cost per patient per day in those institutions?

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Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Yes. I perhaps forgot to say to the committee that apart from the hospitals I have mentioned, which are operated by the department itself, we have arrangements with a number of other hospitals, some belonging to the provinces and others privately operated, in which patients who come under the jurisdiction of the department may be treated.

The daily cost per patient is as follows:

Sainte Anne de Bellevue

$2 27Camp Hill

3 22Christie Street

3 57Westminster

1 95Deer Lodge

1 97Colonel Belcher

3 19Shauglmessy

3 27Lancaster

2 49

The average rate for all the hospitals is $2.55. The cost at Christie Street hospital is higher because there we carry on surgical work, while in some of the other hospitals that is not done. At Westminster, for example, the cost is much lower, because to a considerable extent that is a hospital for mental cases, and there is not very much required in the way of surgery.

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Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

Will the minister explain what probational training is being carried on by the department at the present time? As he will remember, the Hyndman commission made a recommendation in regard to probational training, which reads as follows:

That the regulations of the Department of Pensions and National Health regarding probational training be more widely utilized and be made applicable to non-pensioners.

Will the minister explain whether or not anything has been done to implement that recommendation?

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February 26, 1937