February 26, 1937

LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

For the last three years the expenditures have been as follows:

1933- 34 $36,4191934- 35

23,1031935- 36

27,1381936 to November 30

9,060

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CON

John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

Can the minister give the number of workmen covered?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Yes. For the year 1936-37

to November 30, 1936 the number of claims

and amounts paid were as follows:

Number Total

of claims paid

Alberta . 27 $ 715 67British Columbia.. . . 2 772 60Manitoba . 25 936 84Nova Scotia . 6 365 21Ontario . 68 3,031 75Saskatchewan . 11 1,081 17Quebec .. 7 2,157 12

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IND

Alan Webster Neill

Independent

Mr. NEILL:

Is this system predicated on a claim being made in case of death or accident, and the department paying?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

The department pays.

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IND

Alan Webster Neill

Independent

Mr. NEILL:

But does the department pay only when a claim is made?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Yes, that is the basis of compensation.

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IND

Alan Webster Neill

Independent

Mr. NEILL:

Would it not be more

economical for the government to pay the rate per man, the same as the employer would? Then the department would get the advantage of the insurance principle.

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

I think I misinformed the committee. They pay the full compensation, not the premium. We guarantee the province against any loss because of the employment of these men.

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Alan Webster Neill

Independent

Mr. NEILL:

Yes, but I want to know whether the department pays the compensation board when a man has been killed or injured. Does it wait until a man has been injured, and then pay, which is equivalent to the department doing insuring, or does it simply pay the rate per man employed?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

We do not pay the rate per man employed. We pay the claim.

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IND

Alan Webster Neill

Independent

Mr. NEILL:

Would not the department be better off to pay the rate per man? They would then get the advantage of joint insurance covering a large number of cases.

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

As I have explained, this arises out of a situation which existed in 1921 in many of the provinces, if not all, where there were no workmen's compensation boards, and the employer was obliged to take out insurance against claims. Therefore he would not wish to take into his factory or industry a man who was more likely to be subject to industrial accident on account of his war disability. As a result of that situation, and in order to encourage employment of ex-soldiers, the department undertook to pay those claims.

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CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

Is the department notified when a returned veteran is employed by any company, under the compensation act?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

No.

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CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

Or is the extra liability to accident by reason of his service as a soldier, or his disability, considered after the accident or death?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

After the accident or death. Item agreed to.

Care of patients, medical examination respecting pensions, hospital allowances, and sheltered employment, $2,900,000.

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CON

John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

Does the sheltered employment cover such things as the vetcraft shop at Christie street hospital?

1306 COMMONS

Supply-Pensions-European War

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Two factories, one in Montreal and one in Toronto, and one which is supported to a large extent by the department, the Red Cross shop in Victoria, B.C.

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CON

John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

I am convinced that money spent in that connection is well spent. I went through the vetcraft shop at Christie street hospital, and it was most interesting to see the men working there, many of whom if they were not in that shop would become mentally defective. I know quite a number myself. The department in providing this work is not only giving them an opportunity to supplement their pension; it is making their lives livable. I certainly am happy to support this vote.

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February 26, 1937