February 23, 1937

LIB
CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

Would there not also be an increase in cost arising out of the larger ships and more efficient equipment?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

Yes, possibly, that is so.

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LIB

Liguori Lacombe

Liberal

Mr. LACOMBE:

Mr. Chairman, I wish to reiterate my opposition to any increase in the national defence estimates, and I believe, moreover, that the hon. member for Nicolet (Mr. Dubois) has stated the reasons why just as well as I could do it myself. However, my attitude is based mainly upon the answers given to me yesterday by the hon. Minister of National Defence (Mr. Mackenzie), when he stated that he may, each year, ask for increases, depending on conditions then prevailing. That is why I am supporting the amendment presented by the hon. member for Nicolet.

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SC

Ernest George Hansell

Social Credit

Mr. HANSELL:

The minister said that

the maintenance of the two new ships will perhaps amount to $300,000 each. Is that included in the present estimate?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

Yes.

Amendment (Mr. Dubois) negatived: yeas, 18; nays, 117.

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Item agreed to. Royal Canadian Air Force Expenses in connection with the general maintenance and training of the permanent and non-permanent active air force, and provision of facilities therefor, $11,391,650.


CON

Harry James Barber

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARBER:

Does this vote include expenditures for landing fields? Have landing fields through to the coast been completed?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

Landing fields would not ordinarily come under the Department of National Defence but, as the hon. member will realize, under the civil aviation branch of the Department of Transport. I presume the hon. member has reference to the matter we discussed last year.

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CON
LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

That was well under way some time ago. I do not know whether the Minister of Transport can answer it, but there was definite progress made with reference to it before the transfer from the Department of National Defence to the Department of Transport took place.

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CON

Harry James Barber

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARBER:

I just wish to remind the minister that a discussion took place last year with respect to a landing field at Chilliwack, and at that time he promised it would be proceeded with. The latest information I have is that nothing has been done, not even to the extent of securing the land.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

I think definite steps were taken before the transfer was effected, but I shall look into the matter, with my colleague, and inform the hon. member.

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CCF

Abraham Albert Heaps

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. HEAPS:

Would the minister tell the committee the number of machines the government has in service in the air defence of Canada?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

At the present time the total in Canada is 182 aeroplanes. There are 8 fighter Siskins now obsolete; 18 army cooperation of which 15 Atlas, now practically obsolete, and 3 Avro No. 626 ; 4 Vancouver flying boats, which are obsolescent; 7 new torpedo bombing Blackburn "Sharks," only 4 of which have been delivered so far, but which are modern service planes; 105 various types of training planes, many obsolete, and 40 transportation planes of different types used on various government services, particularly civil government air operations, making a total of 182.

Supply-Defence-Air Force

The present estimate provides for an increase of 102 planes, as follows: 12 fighter planes, 3 army cooperation planes, 7 flying boats, 24 bomber planes, of which 18 are used Wapiti planes, and 6 new Avro No. 626, 11 torpedo bombing planes, 18 coastal reconnaissance planes, and 27 training planes.

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CCF

Abraham Albert Heaps

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. HEAPS:

How many aeroplanes has the minister purchased since assuming office?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

Since

April 1, 1934, the following were ordered: October 3, 1934, 10 Atlas airframes from the air ministry; on May 27, 1935, 10 Civet Fleet airframes; on November 18, 1935, 6 Wapiti airframes, from the air ministry; on November 28, 1936, 5 Stranraer aeroplanes, from Canadian Vickers; on September 22, 1936, 10 Fleet trainer airframes; on May 11, 1936,

1 Avro tudor aeroplane, from Armstrong Siddeley; on May 4, 1936, 7 Torpedo "Shark" aeroplanes, from the air ministry; on August 29, 1935, 3 Avro type "626" aeroplanes, from Armstrong Siddeley; on August 23, 1935, 3 Northrop Delta aeroplanes, from Canadian Vickers, for civil government air operations; on August 9, 1935. 2 super-71 Fairchild aeroplanes, from the Canadian Wright Company, and on January 11, 1937, 4 Northrop Delta aeroplanes for civil government operations.

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CCF

Abraham Albert Heaps

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. HEAPS:

How many of these machines are now being operated by the government?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

All the planes as required and suitable, namely 182 of them; but few are modern service planes.

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CCF

Abraham Albert Heaps

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. HEAPS:

Are any under repair?

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February 23, 1937