February 23, 1937

LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

The

amount included in the estimates this year is three quarters of a million dollars. The estimated cost is one quarter of a million each, a total of one million, but it is not anticipated that they can be finished during the present year.

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CON

Simon Fraser Tolmie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TOLMIE:

How many mine sweepers will be constructed on the Pacific coast?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

That has not been finally decided, but at least one, possibly two.

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CCF

Abraham Albert Heaps

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. HEAPS:

Can the minister say when he expects the two new ships to be delivered to this country?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

They

were commissioned as Canadian vessels a week ago and are expected to sail from England about March 12.

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LIB
LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

The details of the new destroyers are as follows:

Displacement, 1,375 tons as against 1,075 for the old Champlain and Vancouver which have been demilitarized. The dimensions of the ships are as follows:

Length, 317} feet as against 275} feet.

Beam, 33 feet as against 27 feet 5 inches.

Draft, 12 feet as against 11 feet.

Horse power, 36,000 as against 29,000.

Speed, 35-5 knots as against 36 knots.

Engines, Parsons geared turbines; boilers three admiralty, three drum type.

Fuel oil capacity, 470 tons.

Guns, four of 4-7 inches, one 3 inches, five smaller guns, and eight torpedo tubes, 21 inches.

They were completed April 5, 1932, and the purchase price was $1,000,000.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

What is the usual period of usefulness of a ship of that kind, and when were these ships completed?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

The estimated life of a destroyer of this type is about twenty years. They were built in April, 1932, they are a little over four years old.

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CCF

James Shaver Woodsworth

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

We are told that this is a part of the defence plan for Canada, which is supposed to be an adequate plan. What function are these destroyers, these new ships, designed to perform? What work are they particularly required to do under the plan set forth by the minister?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

That I think is more or less obvious. It will be patrol and defence of our territorial waters, harbour mouths and shipping terminals on both coasts. I do not for the moment pretend that this is an ample naval force for that purpose, but it is at least a force which would cooperate with other forces in giving some reasonable protection.

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CCF

James Shaver Woodsworth

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

There will be only these two destroyers doing that patrol work?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

We shall have four modern destroyers when the other two are here.

Supply-Defence-Naval Services

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CCF

James Shaver Woodsworth

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

But there are only two on each coast?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

That has been the case so far.

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CCF

James Shaver Woodsworth

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

Does the minister really consider that two patrol boats on each coast can defend this country or maintain our neutrality?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

I think they can do quite a lot in cooperation with the other services. It is much better than nothing at all.

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CCF

Abraham Albert Heaps

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. HEAPS:

Would the minister not think as a matter of policy that if the same amount were spent say for air defences it would give better results?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

No, in

the cooperative work of the various services it is necessary to have surface ships as well as air services, and these as my hon. friend will agree are on a very modest scale indeed.

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CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

In answering the hon.

member for Winnipeg North a moment ago as to the increased annual cost on account of equipment the minister said that there would be a certain increase in cost arising out of the increased ratings. I am not very familiar with these terms. What does "increased ratings" mean? Does it mean the additional number of men?

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February 23, 1937