February 22, 1937

CON

Norman James Macdonald Lockhart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. N. J. M. LOCKHART (Lincoln):

Mr. Speaker, before the orders of the day are called I should like to refer to the approval given on February 1 for a return of certain papers from the Post Office Department. That was twenty-two days ago and I was wondering if the Postmaster General (Mr. Elliott) would be kind enough to check up this matter.

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LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Hon. J. C. ELLIOTT (Postmaster General) :

I shall be very glad to look into the matter immediately. I understood this matter was taking some little time but I hope to be able to table the information very soon.

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CON

Norman James Macdonald Lockhart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LOCKHART:

No searching should be required, because all the papers should be on file.

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FARM PLACEMENT SCHEME


On the orders of the day:


CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. T. C. DOUGLAS (Weyburn):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to put a question to the Minister of Labour (Mr. Rogers). Information continues to come to me that certain farmers who come under the farm placement scheme have not yet received the remuneration agreed upon. I would like to ask the minister if he can give any assurance to the house that immediate steps will be taken to reimburse these people.

Hon. NORMAN McL. ROGERS (Minister of Labour): Mr. Speaker, the hon. member for Weyburn (Mr. Douglas) was good enough to give me notice of this question. I may say in reply that all payments to farmers in connection with this plan are made directly by the provincial governments. I am sure my hon. friend appreciates the difficulty of administering such a plan over such a wide area. The subject matter of this question has already been brought to the attention of the

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government of Saskatchewan. On February 9 a report was received that all payments due up until December 31, 1936, had been forwarded where the recipients had complied with the regulations, and further assurance was given that all future payments would go out regularly.

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DEPARTMENT OP NATIONAL DEFENCE


The house in committee of supply, Mr. Sanderson in the chair. Cadet services, $140,000.


CCF

Abraham Albert Heaps

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. HEAPS:

May I ask the minister to tell us how much of this money is spent in each of the provinces?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Hon. IAN MACKENZIE (Minister of National Defence):

I have the numbers enrolled in the different provinces; on August 31st, 1936: Nova Scotia, 1,789; Prince Edward Island, 860; New Brunswick, 2,130; Quebec, 50,193; Ontario, 22,029; Manitoba, 1,607; Saskatchewan, 1,243; Alberta, 1,118; British Columbia, 1,758; total, 82,727.

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CCF

Abraham Albert Heaps

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. HEAPS:

Does the government exercise any supervision to see that this money is spent for the purposes for which it is voted?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

The

moneys are payable on the certificate of the inspecting officer. Instructors in the permanent force are in contact with the school instructors, and the grant is based on the number of cadets who qualify. It applies to cadets between fifteen and eighteen years only.

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CCF

Abraham Albert Heaps

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. HEAPS:

I was wondering if any supervision was exercised by the government over the expenditure of the money. Are any reports made to the department showing how the money was spent, or is an examination made on behalf of the department?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver) :

The district officers commanding get reports from the officers of every unit in the dominion, and these reports come to the department here.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

The other day the hon. member for Broadview (Mr. Church), who is not present at the moment, asked a question, and I think it might be well if the minister would explain that the government's curtailment of the grant this year from $150,000 to $140,000 is not a matter of government policy but is because the larger sum is not required through municipalities having declined further to utilize cadet services. If that were on the record the hon. member for Broadview would have the explanation he sought the other day.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

The

right hon. gentleman is correct. The government has not been responsible for the disbanding of one single unit this past year. Several units have been disbanded, but not at the instigation of the government, and although several units have been disbanded the actual number enrolled at the present time is about 400 in excess of a year ago.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

What about the suggestion made to increase the vote by $10,000? Apparently nobody would have any objection to that.

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LIB

James Houston Spence

Liberal

Mr. SPENCE:

Had this item passed I would not have had a word to say about it. I am not condemning the minister for reducing the item by $10,000 because I assume the explanation is that there is no demand from the public schools for the money. I should be delighted to see the minister increase the grant by $500,000, if for no other reason than to assist private schools and colleges. Take, for instance, the De la Salle organization and St. Andrew's College in Toronto, two of the best drilled corps in this country, equal almost to the Kingston cadets. They are well dressed and well drilled, and are an inspiration to everybody who sees them on parade. We are not spending half enough money on cadets. The cadet services should be encouraged, and if the public schools do not want the money let the private schools in any part of this country have it. The militia regiments should also get a little more money to encourage them to have a cadet corps in connection with every regiment. I repeat, Mr. Chairman, that cadet training should be encouraged because it is the sort of training that makes men out of the boys. To see them on parade is a beautiful sight, and everyone who sees them applauds them. I do not think we are spending nearly enough money on the cadets, and anybody who criticizes the expenditure of a few dollars for this purpose has very little to do. I understand that only about one dollar per head is given to the cadets.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

Not for all cadets, only those between fifteen and eighteen years of age.

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LIB

James Houston Spence

Liberal

Mr. SPENCE:

It does not work out to one cent an hour for the training they put in, and their uniforms are not paid for by the defence department but by private interests, I believe. Does this department provide the uniforms for the cadets of De la Salle or St. Andrew's College in Toronto? They are the two organizations I know best.

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February 22, 1937