February 18, 1937

LIB

Robert Emmett Finn

Liberal

Mr. FINN:

But the president did not say that.

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Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

The president will be

guided by his advisers, and this gentleman was one of his advisers.

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Robert Emmett Finn

Liberal

Mr. FINN:

What was his name?

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Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

He was a rear admiral of the navy. I can give my hon. friend all the information he wants. I am referring to Admiral William D. Leahy, chief of naval operations, who made this statement, as quoted in the press:

It is a fair presumption that if any other power expands its fleet the United States may find it necessary to do likewise.

This is the traditional policy of the United States, to maintain a navy second to none, which means that the United States navy must not be second to the British navy, regardless of our friendly relations. As I was saying, all the countries are arming for defence. Germany is arming for defence; Hitler says Germany is arming for the defence of the German people and their right to live. In a book I read recently the statement was made that Great Britain never engaged in a war of aggression, that all her wars were wars of defence. The author pointed out, however, that strange as it may appear Great Britain has come out of every war with increased territory and usually with a great deal of other booty as well.

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LIB

Robert Emmett Finn

Liberal

Mr. FINN:

Do you believe that?

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CCF

Abraham Albert Heaps

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. HEAPS:

Mr. Speaker, I rise to a point of order. The hon. gentleman has done nothing but interrupt the hon. member for Vancouver East (Mr Maclnnis) since he began to speak, and the hon. member for Halifax has not once risen to his feet in order to express his interruptions properly. If the debates of this house are to continue along this line we will never get. any business done at all. For the past half hour the hon. member has been in his seat and has done nothing but mumble and interrupt the hon. member who has the floor, and I say he ought to be reproved.

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LIB

Robert Emmett Finn

Liberal

Mr. FINN:

What are you doing?

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CCF

Abraham Albert Heaps

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. HEAPS:

I will ask you to see, Mr. Speaker, that the hon. member who has the floor gets an opportunity to speak, as is the right of every hon. member.

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LIB

Walter Edward Foster (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

When the hon. member for Halifax said a few words, he did not speak very loudly. I thought the hon. member who is now speaking did not mind it very much, because he did not ask that the member who was interrupting be called to order.

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CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

We are told, then, that we are not committed to taking part in any trouble overseas. That may be true at this time, but let us bear in mind that Great Britain is not actively engaged in war at the moment. As the law now stands the governor in council may send the militia anywhere in Canada, and also beyond Canada, for our defence. In this connection may I briefly refer to the militia act.

In the event of an emergency which section 2 (b) of the act defines as war, invasion, riot or insurrection, real or apprehended, section 64 empowers the governor in council to place the militia or any part thereof, on active service anywhere in Canada, and also beyond Canada, for the defence thereof, at any time when it appears advisable so to do by reason of an emergency.

The emergency, if there is one, lies with the governor in council to determine. Before we know it, if we have armies and war equipment, they will be sent wherever they are needed. Speaking in the British House of Commons yesterday Mr. Neville Chamberlain said:

So far as the dominions are concerned, it is not the intention to call upon the dominions to make any contribution to a common fund. The dominions, as a matter of fact, have spent a great deal of money-

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Time.

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Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

May I finish reading this?

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William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Yes, let the hon. member finish.

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Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

I shall continue:

The dominions, as a matter of fact, have spent a great deal of money upon perfecting or improving their own defences, and that is their contribution to the common fund, but there is no other form of contribution, of which I am aware, under discussion at the present time.

So, you see there is a common fund to which the dominions contribute.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

May I ask the hon. member a question? I did not like to interrupt him when he was speaking. He

National Defence-Mr. Gauthier

made a positive statement that one of the first acts of the present administration, after taking office, was to sabotage the League of Nations. Would he please tell the house in what way that is true?

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Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

First of all, may I thank the Prime Minister for not interrupting me while I was speaking; I had plenty of interruption. I do not think the right hon. gentleman is at a loss to know to what I referred. Very shortly after he took office-possibly before he took office-the League of Nations decided to apply sanctions against Italy, and named her the aggressor in Abyssinia. Then the question of oil sanctions was raised in the council of the league. If there were anything necessary to stop Italy in Abyssinia, it would be the application of oil sanctions. This government repudiated the suggestion supposed to have been made by Canada's representative at Geneva. Could there be anything more calculated to give assurance to Italy that Canada was not with the league than this attitude with respect to the application of sanctions? It was a matter of giving comfort to the enemy, and I say in doing that Canada sabotaged the league.

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William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

As a matter of accuracy may I state that so far as the application of sanctions is concerned, the present government applied sanctions against Italy. So far as oil sanctions are concerned the present administration made it perfectly clear that the suggestion was not a Canadian suggestion, that it was a suggestion of a committee of the league, and that it was altogether wrong to say that the application of oil sanctions was Canada's project. There was nothing more than that, so far as the present administration is concerned.

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Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

It was not until December, though, that it was done.

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Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

Was there any danger to Canada, even if it were Canada's suggestion?

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE (Quebec East):

If war had been declared or had spread as a result of the application of oil sanctions, would the hon. member have been in favour of Canada participating in that war?

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February 18, 1937