January 26, 1937

LIB

William Michael Ryan

Liberal

Mr. RYAN:

I do not know that my question is in order in connection with this particular item but I should like to ask the minister about a licence fee imposed by the late government on the fishermen of Lorneville. I do not know whether that was done to assist in the conservation of the deep sea fish or what the object was, but I have had innumerable protests and I cannot get any explanation why there should be what I call this discrimination against the fishermen of that district. Can the minister give some information as to what revenue is produced, and what the reasons are for centering on this particular district to impose this licence fee, which is regarded as a nuisance tax? I should like to have some information which I may convey to those who are repeatedly writing me protesting against the imposition of this fee.

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LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD:

I believe my hon. friend has reference to a nominal fee of $1 charged to those who wish to take out a fishing licence.

It is simply for the purpose of administration.

If there were no fee most of the people would forget to take out the licence, which the law

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compels them to take out. I do not believe my hon. friend is correct in stating that there is discrimination against the people of the community he mentioned, because the regulation applies to all who want to take out licences in New Brunswick, and not to those of any particular locality.

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LIB

William Michael Ryan

Liberal

Mr. RYAN:

Would the minister tell me how many licences are issued in the fishing district adjoining Lorneville?

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LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD:

I have not the details by localities of those who have taken out licences during the past year. I have the information for the entire province. In district No. 2, salmon gill net drift licences, 192, and trap nets, 386; in district No. 3, 161 gill nets and 97 trap nets; Gaspereau licences, 137. Probably it is district No. 3 in which the place referred to by the hon. member is situated. There were 23 shad licences, or a total of 1,135 licences in district No. 3.

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LIB

William Michael Ryan

Liberal

Mr. RYAN:

I cannot say that is the district, but I would ask the minister to be kind enough to take this matter into consideration. This tax may not seem serious to some, but it is creating a hardship on the fishermen. I do not see what the department gains by imposing this licence fee. It is only a recent innovation; the fishermen carried on for years without it. I know there is considerable opposition in the department to what I am saying, but I wish the minister would take the matter into consideration. The fishermen are protesting; the country gains very little by the collection of the fee, and I assure him that in these days when the fishermen are struggling to earn a livelihood in an honest way, as they do in my part of the country, it would be appreciated if this licence fee were done away with. I ask that in all seriousness.

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LIB

Harry Leader

Liberal

Mr. LEADER:

As some hon. members know, I come from Manitoba, where it is generally believed that we raise wheat, cattle and other agricultural products. When I heard this discussion of the fishing industry on the Atlantic and the Pacific I was much interested, because the fishing business in my province is developing into quite a large industry. Our fresh water lakes produce the best whitefish and pickerel in the world and I just wanted to apprise members of the committee of that fact. I also wanted to tell them, as I have told the minister'-and he was good enough to answer my correspondence -that the fishermen of my province suffered a major catastrophe this year. After the winter season opened and the ice was sound enough they went out and placed their nets.

Then milder weather developed, with high winds; the ice was broken up, and hundreds and thousands of these fishermen lost their nets. I accompanied a delegation to Winnipeg and we appealed to the Manitoba government for aid. The appeal was also taken up with the dominion government, but they found it impossible to reimburse these fishermen for their loss. This was really too bad, because I believe since then many of those men have had to apply for relief. It seems to me that it would be a very wise action on the part of this government and our provincial government if they would take care of situations such as these, which develop perhaps only once in ten years. I just wanted to tell the minister that a major catastrophe occurred and a great hardship overtook those honest, hard working people in Manitoba. If there is in the estimates any amount that can be made available to reimburse these men in order to reestablish them for next year, I believe the officials of the department should give the matter their very earnest consideration.

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LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD:

In reply to the hon. member and for the information of the committee may I say that the fisheries of the inland provinces do not come under the jurisdiction of the federal authorities. For that reason, and for that reason alone, I was sorry to have to turn down his request for help in the matter he has just brought to the attention of this committee.

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Item agreed to. DEPARTMENT OP TRANSPORT Marine Service Aids to navigation: maintenance and repairs to wharves, $7,500.


LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Hon. C. D. HOWE (Minister of Transport) :

This item covers the expenditure for maintenance and minor repairs to the large number of small public docks administered by this department. Major repairs to these docks are made by the Department of Public Works, but repairs costing less than $50 are made by the department as required, and this appropriation is for that purpose.

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Item agreed to. Amount required to pay pensions to pilots: Alphonse Asselin, John I. Irvine, Adjutor Baillergeon. J. Alphonse Lachance, Joseph Pouliot. Raoul Lachance, Phileas Lachance, Arthur Baillergeon, J. H. Talbot, Jules Asselin, Joseph Vezina, $3,300.


LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

This is an appropriation

which goes back to 1906. At that time the pilotage district of Quebec was reorganized

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and the number of pilots reduced. There were far too many pilots there for efficiency, and as part of the plan to reduce the number of pilots provision was made for pensioning the then existing pilots at the age of sixty-five, with a pension of $300 per annum. The pilots are becoming less in number each year, which accounts for the reduction in the vote this year.

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SC

James Alexander Marshall

Social Credit

Mr. MARSHALL:

May I ask the minister how many were retired?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

The names of the surviving pilots appear in the estimates. I think there are eleven of them left, out of a total of fifty-one.

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LIB

Robert Emmett Finn

Liberal

Mr. FINN:

I should like to direct to the Minister of Transport a question that has been brought to my attention by steamship men who are trading up the St. Lawrence river and through to the great lakes. I am told that in the great lakes these ships are required to carry two pilots, and the expense is so great that it is absolutely impossible for those engaged in the shipping business in the port of Halifax to enter into trade which carries them into the great lakes. It seems to me there should be some sound reason for requiring ships to carry two pilots, but this information comes to me from an outstanding shipping man who is directly engaged in that trade. He informs me that if that regulation is enforced he will have to retire and take his ships out of the trade between Nova Scotia and the great lakes.

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

I may say that no such regulation as has been suggested by the hon. member for Halifax is in force at the moment. Some conversations have taken place with the United States about it, but at the present time the whole matter is only under discussion. No conclusions have been arrived at as yet, and I do not think anything further can be said about the matter just now.

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LIB

Robert Emmett Finn

Liberal

Mr. FINN:

It is as the minister says: I had forgotten that this is a question having to do with a relationship between the United States and Canada. Perhaps this is not an opportune time to discuss the matter; I accept the suggestion of the minister, but I should like an assurance from him' that before this matter is dealt with hon. members will have an opportunity of discussing it further.

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

In reply to my hon. friend I may say that if any such arrangement is made, I am informed that it must be by legislation, so the house will have a chance to discuss it.

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LIB

Robert Emmett Finn

Liberal

Mr. FINN:

I do not want to be unduly technical, but is it necessary that this should be done by legislation? May it not be done by treaty, binding both countries, which will be brought to this house only for confirmation? If that is so, I think an opportunity should be afforded hon. members to discuss this matter. It is not a question in which I am interested personally, but when steamship people in my constituency are interested and set out the facts succinctly, clearly and honestly, we should have an opportunity of dealing with this question in a preliminary way so that we shall not find ourselves in the position of having international negotiations carried on, resulting in a treaty being brought into the house as a government measure for confirmation, so that refusal to vote for it will be equal to a vote of want of confidence in the government. I do not want to place myself in that position, but I should like to be able to discuss the question in order that those who are interested might be informed as to the position and as to the possibility of a further discussion being carried on before any of these international pourparlers are concluded as between the United States and Canada in reference to this vital question of putting two pilots aboard a ship and making the charterer or owner of the ship pay for two pilots when one would be sufficient. That is the only point.

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

I shall do my best to see

that the 'hon. member has an opportunity to discuss the matter before we go too far.

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LIB

Robert Emmett Finn

Liberal

Mr. FINN:

I am satisfied with the minister's answer.

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January 26, 1937