May 26, 1936

LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

Of course the criticism

of the hon. member (Mr. Donnelly) will apply

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in connection with very many items of the tariff. It is frequently necessary for the department to rely upon a declaration with respect to the use of a particular article. If one refers to the verbatim transcript of the evidence taken by the board it becomes clear that none of the articles mentioned in this list is made in Canada. Even the accessories mentioned are not of a type manufactured in Canada.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Is that so with respect

;o all of them?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I understand so, yes.

The Canadian manufacturers of the commodities mentioned in the application did not oppose the granting of this concession. What might, be called the opposing elements came to an agreement on the general principles involved. They went into conference and actually agreed on the items.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Does that include everyone in the trade?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

Yes.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Oh, well, I have nothing

further to say if that includes the small interests-t'he druggist, for instance, who sells the supplies.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

No-the manufacturers

of the articles.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I am inquiring whether

the consumer was consulted or not.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

The consumer in this

instance is the professional photographer. The professional photographer and the manufacturers of photographic supplies went into conference. I am free to say that I share somewhat the fear that the customs department may have difficulty with it. They are content, following a review of the evidence and the conclusions of the tariff board, to endeavour to administer the item, and we shall watch whether some change may be necessary as a result of experience. For the present we think this is a concession to the photographic industry that we can very well make in connection at any rate with that portion of their professional equipment which is not made in Canada.

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CON

Grote Stirling

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

Under the previous items where did the material largely come from which is covered by this new wording?

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Rochester.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

Well, more largely from

the United States and Germany than anywhere else, although it was distributed over so many items of the tariff that it was difficult to trace with any accuracy.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Eastman's, of course, are the great kodak people of the world. To some extent they are rivalled by Germans. I thought they had a small plant at Toronto.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

Not for manufacturing

professional size cameras; just for the smaller ones.

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REC

Henry Herbert Stevens

Reconstruction

Mr. STEVENS:

In the schedules that we

have before us as they appear in the votes and proceedings the old rates are indicated in the three columns to the right, and there I find five items referred to. Am I correct in assuming that those items are repealed and are now incorporated in item 462a?

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Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

No; the numbers of the old items, my hon. friend will note, are at the end. This is a case where previously the particular equipment in question was not separately classified for tariff purposes, but parts of it were contained within the items referred to by my hon. friend, and the effect of the item is to extract from the items so numbered the articles mentioned in this one. It has extracted a part from each of the ones mentioned.

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REC

Henry Herbert Stevens

Reconstruction

Mr. STEVENS:

I notice that items 288

and 427 are repealed.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

No.

M,r. STEVENS: Well, they are, in this

resolution that precedes it. The whole item is repealed.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

There is an explanation

of that.

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REC

Henry Herbert Stevens

Reconstruction

Mr. STEVENS:

The fact is that these

items are repealed. At the moment I am not asking for an explanation

I will give the minister an opportunity of making one. But the fact that they are repealed is, I think, established by the resolution which we adopted or which we are now in process of considering. It will be noticed that item 288, for instance, is here referred to; the item we are considering, namely 462a, deals with photographic cameras, equipment, and so forth, and as far as I can see there is no reference in it to earthenware and stoneware, etc. Item 288 covers "earthenware and stoneware, brown or coloured and Rockingham ware; 'C.C.' or cream-coloured ware, decorated, printed or sponged, and all earthenware, n.o.p." This item is repealed, yet we see it is referred to here as in part going into this item. I will cite one or two more. The next item 427, also repealed, reads as follows:

All machinery composed wholly or in part of iron or steel, n.o.p., and complete parts thereof.

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Then we turn to item 446a, which is also referred to and which is repealed. That item reads:

Manufactures, articles or wares, of iron or steel or of which iron or steel or both are the component materials of chief value, n.o.p.

Then item 462, directly referring to this item, or the item preceding it, 'is also repealed.

Philosophical, photographic, mathematical and optical instruments ...

This is something that I think should be very carefully considered. We are here dealing with photographic instruments, yet we find three important items, covering machinery, earthenware, and so forth, repealed, and apparently indicated in the schedule as being now covered in this new composite item. I sometimes fear that the committee by its action in approving the repeal of an item may be doing something the importance of which it is not fully aware. That is why when we began the consideration of this schedule I suggested to the minister that we should have very full information on the items that are being, repealed and dealt with in this way. I know from past experience that sometimes when items in the tariff are brought together for better administration, into a supposedly composite item the result is a very important change in the tariff which perhaps passes without knowledge or full consideration.

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May 26, 1936