May 8, 1936

CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART:

Will this afford any real relief without the further expenditure that the minister mentions as being ultimately needed?

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LIB

Pierre-Joseph-Arthur Cardin (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. CARDIN:

Well, it means certain assistance. Even if it is true that dredging does not employ large numbers of men directly, yet that machinery which is being used for dredging is built and maintained and repaired by other men, who get employment that they would not otherwise get. I admit it is not as productive from the point of view of employment as the building of a dam, but this is to permit taking advantage as much as possible of the facilities which have been established in the port of Chicoutimi for vessels navigating the Saguenay river, permitting them to reach the port without having to wait for the change of level by the tide.

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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART:

Perhaps I did not make my question clear. What I wanted to know is whether the expenditure of this money will enable any vessel to get to the wharves at Chicoutimi that cannot now get up?

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LIB
CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART:

Or whether there will have to be further expenditure?

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LIB

Pierre-Joseph-Arthur Cardin (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. CARDIN:

Vessels cannot now go

every hour of the day to the wharves at Chicoutimi; they have to wait until the water rises as a result of the tide, but when that dredging is completed the vessels will be able to go there every hour of the day.

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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART:

I understand that, when it is all completed, but with the expenditure this year will they be able to reach the wharves?

Mr. CARDiN: With the expenditure this year the work will not be completed, so they will not be in a position to take full advantage of it, but it is a start towards completing the channel.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Are not these the facts: that the Chicoutimi harbour commission was created in 1925-26 for the purpose of building a harbour at Chicoutimi; that the harbour never should have been put there; that the only place that there should be a harbour is at Ha! Ha! bay which is across from there; that now that the harbour has been built, unless dredging goes on, there will be no practical use for those wharves or that harbour for steamers of a draft of, I think, eighteen feet-I forget the exact figure; leave that out for the moment, but for steamers of substantial tonnage-and that this proposal to spend $200,000 will have the effect only of accentuating the value of the harbour at Ha! Ha! bay and indicating how absolutely useless this Chicoutimi harbour is because it will fill in again with the currents as they have been all these ages. It is a sandy bottom, I am told, and silt and sand will fill the very channel that you dredge. That is my information, that there is no justification for it, never has been. The minister of transport to be has been dealing with the harbour; we know exactly the money that has been spent and the money that is to be spent; we know the circumstances under which the harbour came into being, and we know that the harbour across the way is the one which is being used by large ships that load paper from the big mill which sends its product down to that harbour. Under these circumstances can we justify in these days the expenditure of this money for that purpose?

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LIB

Julien-Édouard-Alfred Dubuc

Liberal

Mr. DUBUC:

May I be allowed to correct the statement of the leader of the opposition. The harbour of Chicoutimi when the channel is straightened out will be able to accom-

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modate steamers of any draft up to thirty feet, and if the coal and paper have to pass by Ha! Ha! bay it means an extra charge of $1.50 to $2 a ton.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Because there is no wharf there. The wharf is at Chicoutimi.

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LIB

Julien-Édouard-Alfred Dubuc

Liberal

Mr. DUBUC:

There are three thousand

feet of docks at Chicoutimi with thirty feet at low water and all the facilities to load-

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

And none at Ha! Ha! bay.

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LIB

Julien-Édouard-Alfred Dubuc

Liberal

Mr. DUBUC:

-for the pulp or paper and the coal required to -maintain that industry, which is at the end of navigation on the Saguenay river.

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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART:

There is an item, Rimou-ski, harbour improvements, $150,000. Would the minister outline what is required there?

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LIB

Pierre-Joseph-Arthur Cardin (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. CARDIN:

This is to provide additional wharfage facilities in the port of Rimouski. During the last season and the previous one very great quantities of wood have been shipped from Rimouski. It is the centre of distribution for all the supplies that are needed on the north shore of the St. Lawrence.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

How much money has

been spent there during the last few years?

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LIB

Pierre-Joseph-Arthur Cardin (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. CARDIN:

In the vicinity of $100,000, I am informed. There is only a small wharf there which at certain periods is crowded, and vessels have to wait even several days before getting their turn at that wharf. I am satisfied from the figures which have been placed before me that the traffic justifies the development of that harbour. I am not sure whether it is 35,000,000 feet of wood or more that have been sent to England from that port. It is not only for coasting vessels; ocean vessels are loading planks and boards there for shipment to England.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

They do not load at

the wharf; they anchor out in the road, do they not?

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LIB

Pierre-Joseph-Arthur Cardin (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. CARDIN:

No, they load at the wharf

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Large ocean ships?

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May 8, 1936