April 24, 1936

BANK OF CANADA

RULING OP MR. SPEAKER ON MOTION FOR INTRODUCTION OF BILL BY PRIVATE MEMBER


On the order: Introduction of bills-Mr. Reid-Bill intituled: "An Act to amend the Bank of Canada Act."


LIB

Walter Edward Foster (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

When the hon. member for New Westminster (Mr. Reid) on Wednesday last moved for leave to introduce a bill to amend the Bank of Canada Act, a point of order was raised by the Minister of Finance (Mr. Dunning), and I deferred my decision until to-day because I wanted to make a complete examination of the proposed bill. I find that the bill is not in order, and shall now give the details of my decision.

The objects of the bill which the hon. member for New Westminster is seeking to introduce in amendment to the Bank of Canada Act are to allow the Bank of Canada to hold silver coin and bullion in conjunction with gold as a reserve against the note issue and deposit liabilities and also to authorize the issue of certificates against the silver held in the reserve.

Under section 31 of the act, the Receiver General of Canada is entitled to share in the profits of the bank. If the reserve required as security against outstanding notes and deposit liabilities is to consist of silver bullion as well as gold, the fluctuations in the price of silver may cause the bank to sustain serious losses and therefore its profits may be substantially curtailed with an accompanying reduction of the receiver general's share therein and therefore a diminution of the public revenue. It is an established principle in British parliaments, which was set down by a standing order passed in the British House of Commons as far back as 1707, that financial business must originate in a committee of the whole house.

Private members cannot introduce a bill of this character, which ought to be preceded by a resolution on motion of a minister with the recommendation of His Excellency the Governor General.

Moreover, there is now on the order paper a resolution in the name of the Minister of Finance antecedent to a bill to amend the Bank of Canada Act so as to increase the capital stock of the bank and to assure ownership of a majority of shares by the government. Full discussion on this measure cannot be anticipated by a private member's bill, and in determining whether a discussion is out of order on the ground of antici-

Moose River Mine Rescue

pation, the authors say that regard shall be had by the Speaker to the probability of the matter anticipated being brought before the house in a reasonable time. I am well aware that a motion for leave to bring in a bill is in order even if another similar motion with regard to a bill dealing with the same- subject matter stands on the order paper, but when the latter is a government measure announced in the speech from the throne and bound to be taken up by the house, I doubt if the discussion of some of its provisions can be forestalled by the introduction of a private member's bill. For this reason and also because the bill sought to be introduced deals with a part of the dominion's finances, I rule it out of order.

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LIB

Thomas Reid

Liberal

Mr. THOMAS REID (New Westminster):

Speaking to the point of order, Mr. Speaker, I suppose I shall have to abide by your decision, but I would point out that your decision dealt with only one part of the bill. When this bill was before the house last year the same position was taken by the then Speaker, and although I have modified my bill to conform with the ruling then given, it has again been thrown out, and again only the first clause of the bill has been dealt with. Last year when I introduced my bill I was supported by members of the present government who said that the bill was in order.

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CON

John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

They did many things

last year they would not do this year.

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LIB

Walter Edward Foster (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order.

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PRICES OF FARM IMPLEMENTS


On the orders of the day:


CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. T. C. DOUGLAS (Weyburn):

I would ask the government if it has drawn to the attention of the agricultural implement industry the motion passed by this house asking that industry to keep the price of farm implements at their former level until the present investigation has been completed; what assurance has been received from the agricultural implement industry, and why has this request not been complied with?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Hon. J. G. GARDINER (Minister of Agriculture):

Mr. Speaker, letters were sent

to the implement companies calling their attention to the resolution passed by the committee. So far as I know there has not been, down to the present, information received in reply from all the companies. I think a letter was received from one company, but I would prefer when the information is produced to have it brought down as a whole.

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. M. J. COLDWELL (Rosetown-Biggar):

Does the government contemplate bringing down any legislation or taking other action to bring the implement companies to a reasonable frame of mind regarding these prices?

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MOOSE RIVER MINE RESCUE


On the orders of the day:


CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Right Hon. R. B. BENNETT (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I hesitate to

do more than suggest to the government, particularly to the Prime Minister (Mr. Mackenzie King), the possibility of considering whether parliament might not itself take some steps to mark its appreciation of the heroic efforts of those who restored to society the two gentlemen who were entombed at Moose River. It might be well in view of the subscription that is being taken up by the Canadian Red Cross to do something for them, or for the government to consider whether parliament as such might not take some other means of marking our appreciation of what has been done. I was going to mention it privately to the right hon. gentleman, but I was detained and did not get into the house until this moment.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, may I say to my right hon. friend that had I been in the house yesterday I would have sought to give expression to what I believe to be the feelings of all hon. members with respect to the heroic service rendered by those who participated in effecting the deliverance of Doctor Robertson and Mr. Scadding from their long entombment in the mine at Moose River. Unfortunately I was not in the city. I sent a message by wire, however, from Toronto, to the Premier of Nova Scotia, in which I ventured to express sentiments on behalf of all members of parliament which I believed it would be their wish to have expressed. In the circumstances I did not rise in my place to-day on the orders of the day to make a further reference, but I may say to my right hon. friend that the government has had under consideration the very matter he has suggested.

Now that the leader of the opposition has mentioned the subject, I should like to say that I know it is the wish of hon. members of parliament that some expression should be given in its records to the feelings of relief, joy and thankfulness felt by us all at the saving of the lives of Doctor Robertson and Mr. Scadding, to our feeling of profoundest sympathy with Mrs. Magill and the members of her family in the bereavement which they

Supply-Superannuation

have suffered, and to our unbounded admiration of the heroism of those who, altogether regardless of the risks involved, cooperated in the rescue effected.

I imagine at no other time have the thoughts of persons of all classes in all parts of this country been more united in their hopes and wishes and prayers than they have been during the -past fortnight. There has been on the part of the people of Canada as a whole a unanimity of feeling alike of the deepest sympathy and of the greatest admiration as respects those who displayed such determination, fortitude and endurance and who so bravely and so efficiently cooperated in effecting the rescue, as also with respect to those who were rescued. We have felt that we have had a manifestation of the human spirit at its highest and best. That spirit has exhibited itself in a manner which has reflected credit not only on all those who participated in the actual rescue, but on our whole country. There has been service, not for the sake of recognition or decoration, but for the love of service itself; a willingness, if need be, to give life with no thought other than to save life. It is wholly appropriate that members of this parliament should express their profound appreciation of what will remain I believe for all time an epic in Canadian annals, revealing at its true worth the character of the men and women of this country.

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LIB

Daniel (Dan) McIvor

Liberal

Mr. DANIEL McIVOR (Fort William):

Mr. Speaker, perhaps fools rush in where angels fear to tread. This example of bravery and endurance has thrilled all Canada, but I am concerned, sir, with the value of human life wherever it may be, whether in Canada or in Ethiopia, and I think it is time that the Christian nations of the world woke up to the value of human life anywhere.

The house in committee of supply, Mr. Bradette in the chair.

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SUPERANNUATION


To provide for retiring allowances to former employees of the department of public printing and stationery, $6,432.


CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I should like to inquire of the government if the work with respect to superannuation has progressed beyond where it was a few months ago. Probably the Minister of Finance (Mr. Dunning) will be able to answer this question. As the minister knows, superannuation payments are paid into the consolidated revenue fund and are utilized for general public purposes. For some

time an effort has been made to determine the exact actuarial position of the superannuation fund, that is, whether or not the fund is sufficiently large to meet the charges against it, having regard to the sums that must be paid and the ages of those entitled to payment. So far as I am aware this work, was not completed and I do not know to what extent the actuarial investigation has gone forward. This is one of the matters to which we gave some attention and made some reference during the first year we were in office. If the minister has any further information on this matter, I think it should be given to the committee. It is possible there may be an increase in our liability as the fund may or may not be ample for the purpose of meeting the charges which may be made against it. I do not know whether any progress has been made in determining this during the last six months.

Hon. CHARLES A. DUNNING (Minister of Finance): Mr. Chairman, I think the

answer is that no progress has been made. I know my right hon. friend and the Minister of Finance of his government, Hon. E. N. Rhodes, both received delegations from civil service associations making representations, among other things, with regard to the superannuation fund. After consultation with my colleagues, I undertook that during this term of parliament a committee of parliament would be appointed to deal with matters of this kind and other matters respecting the Civil Service Act. Having that in mind, we shall endeavour to press along the investigation into the very complex matter to which my hon. friend refers in order that information may be available to the committee.

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April 24, 1936