April 6, 1936

LIB

Mr. POULIOT:

Liberal

1. Did the successor in office of the late Honourable James Robb as Minister of Finance keep Mr. Watson Sellar as his private secretary?

2. If so, how long?

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Mr. POULIOT:

Liberal

1. Does Mr. Watson Sellar, Comptroller of the Treasury, belong to the B.E.S.L.?

2. If so, when did he enlist and in what capacity ?

3. Was he one of the scrutineers who counted the soldiers' votes in France during the war time election?

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Mr. DUNNING: (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

1. Yes.

2. May 29, 1916, C.F.A. gunner.

3. No.

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Mr. POULIOT:

Liberal

1. On what date did Mr. Watson Sellar enter the civil service and in what capacity?

2. What various positions did he hold in the civil service and how long each time?

3. Did he ever pass a civil service examination? . .

4. Was he ever recommended by the civil service commission for a promotion and, if so, what was it and on what grounds?

5. As comptroller of the treasury, how long can he hold the adjustment or the payment of the salary of any civil employee?

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Mr. DUNNING: (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

1. December 1st, 1924; private secretary to the Minister of Finance.

2. Private secretary to Minister of Finance, December 1st, 1924, to June 27th, 1926.

Non-classified position in Department of Finance, June 28th, 1926, to July 31st, 1926.

Private secretary to Minister of Finance, September 25th, 1926, to March 31st, 1929.

Tariff relations executive, April 1st, 1929, to February 16th, 1930. In this period also private secretary to Minister of Finance from April 1st to November 11th, and acting Assistant Deputy Minister of Finance from December 14th, 1929, to February 15th, 1930.

Assistant Deputy Minister of Finance February 16th, 1930, to January 31st, 1932.

Comptroller of the treasury since February 1st, 1932.

3. No.

4. No.

5. Until the application is as required by any act, regulation or rule applicable.

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REDUCTIONS IN RELIEF CONTRIBUTIONS

COR- RESPONDENCE

CON

Mr. CHURCH:

Conservative (1867-1942)

1. Will 15 per cent reduction on relief apply to and affect the larger municipalities over 100.000 population who have prepared their budgets for 1936 based on receiving 75 per cent from the dominion?

2. Will the 15 per cent be deducted from this 75 per cent on municipality accounts?

3. Will any direct contributions for 1936 be

given the larger municipalities for relief other than the above? .

4. Have any terms, conditions, or regulations been placed on these grants to the provinces to protect the municipalities from unfair deductions made for grawing expenses of the provinces which they deduct therefrom, thus reducing municipal grants received?

5. Will the government lay on the table of the house the correspondence with the provinces in connection with the 15 per cent cut?

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LIB

Norman McLeod Rogers (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ROGERS:

1, 2, 3, and 4. Under the Relief Act, 1935, grants-in-aid were made to the provinces to assist them and the municipalities in discharging their responsibilities for the relief of necessitous persons within their borders, conditional upon the grants being used solely for the purpose of relief without any dis-

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crimination as to race, religious views, or political affiliation of the recipients of said relief; the apportionment of the grant-in-aid amongst the municipalities being a matter under provincial control.

The relief legislation having expired on March 31st, 1936, the provinces have been advised of the intention of the government to continue the grants on a reduced basis for the month of April, contingent upon parliament's action in regard to the authorizing legislation and the necessary appropriations.

5. Tabled herewith.

Ottawa, April 1, 1936. Honourable T. D. Pattullo,

Premier of British Columbia,

Victoria, B.C.

It will be recalled that the increased grant in aid authorized following the dominion provincial conference was for the four winter months December nineteen thirty five March nineteen thirty six inclusive. Having regard to the decrease in relief costs during the summer months the government has decided that its contribution should be decreased as from this date and I am authorized to advise you that the provisional grant to your province for the current month will be two twenty three thousand one twenty five dollars contingent of course upon parliament's action . in regard to- the authorizing legislation and the necessary appropriations.

Norman McL. Rogers,

Minister of Labour.

Ottawa, April 1, 1936. Honourable Wm. Aberhart,

Premier of Alberta,

Edmonton, Alberta.

It will be recalled that the increased grant in aid authorized following the dominion provincial conference was for the four winter months December nineteen thirty five March nineteen thirty six inclusive. Having regard to the decrease in relief costs during the summer months the government has decided that its contribution should be decreased as from this date and I am authorized to advise you that the provisional grant to your province for the current month will be one forty eight thousand seven fifty dollars contingent of course upon parliament's action ip regard to the authorizing legislation and the necessary appropriations.

Norman McL. Rogers,

Minister of Labour.

Ottawa, April 1, 1936. Honourable W. J. Patterson,

Premier of Saskatchewan,

Regina, Sask. .

It will be recalled that the increased grant in aid authorized following the dominion provincial conference was for the four winter months December nineteen thirty five March nineteen thirty six inclusive. Having regard to the decrease in relief costs during the

summer months the government has decided that its contribution should be decreased as from this date and I am authorized to advise you that the provisional grant to your province for the current month will be two ninety seven thousand five hundred dollars contingent of course upon parliament's action in regard to the authorizing legislation and the necessary appropriations.

Norman McL. Rogers,

Minister of Labour.

Ottawa, April 1, 1936. Honourable John Bracken,

Premier of Manitoba,

Winnipeg, Man.

It will be recalled that the increased grant in aid authorized following the dominion provincial conference was for the four winter months December nineteen thirty five March nineteen thirty six inclusive. Having regard to the decrease in relief costs during the summer months the government has decided that its contribution should be decreased as from this date and I am authorized to advise you that the provisional grant to your province for the current month will be two hundred thousand eight twelve dollars fifty cents contingent of course upon parliament's action in regard to the authorizing legislation and the necessary appropriations.

Norman McL. Rogers,

Minister of Labour.

Ottawa, April 1, 1936. Hon. Mitchell Hepburn,

Premier of Ontario,

Toronto, Ontario.

It will be recalled that the increased grant in aid authorized following the dominion provincial conference was for the four winter months December nineteen thirty five March nineteen thirty six inclusive. Having regard to the decrease in relief costs during the summer months the government has decided that its contribution should be decreased as from this date and I am authorized to advise you - that the provisional grant to your province for the current month will be eight hundred ninety two thousand five hundred dollars contingent of course upon parliament's action in regard to the authorizing legislation and the necessary appropriations.

Norman McL. Rogers,

Minister of Labour.

Ottawa, April 1, 1936.

Hon. L. A. Taschereau,

Premier of Quebec,

Quebec . City, P.Q.

It will be recalled that the increased grant in aid authorized following the dominion provincial conference was for the four winter months December nineteen thirty five March, nineteen thirty six inclusive. Having regard to the decrease in relief costs during the summer months the government lias decided that its contribution should be decreased as from this date and I am authorized to advise y6U that the provisional grant to your prov-

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ince for the current month will be seven hundred forty three thousand seven hundred and fifty dollars contingent of course upon parliament's action in regard to the authorizing legislation and the necessary appropriations.

Norman McL. Rogers,

Minister of Labour.

Ottawa, April 1, 1936.

Hon. A. A. Dysart,

Premier of New Brunswick,

Fredericton, N.B.

It will be recalled that the increased grant in aid authorized following the dominion provincial conference was for the four winter months December nineteen thirty five March nineteen thirty six inclusive. Having regard to the decrease in relief costs during the summer months the government has decided that its contribution should be decreased as from this date and I am authorized to advise you that the provisional grant to your province for the current month will be thirty seven thousand one hundred and eighty seven dollars fifty cents contingent of course upon parliament's action in regard to the authorizing legislation and the necessary appropriations.

Norman McL. Rogers,

Minister of Labour.

Ottawa, April 1, 1936. Hon. Angus L. Macdonald,

Premier of Nova Scotia,

Halifax, N.S.

It will be recalled that the increased grant in aid authorized following the dominion provincial conference was for the four winter months December nineteen thirty five March nineteen thirty six inclusive. Having regard to the decrease in relief costs during the summer months the government has decided that its contribution should be decreased as from this date and I am authorized to advise you that the provisional grant to your province for the current month will be fifty nine thousand five hundred dollars contingent of course upon parliament's action in regard to the authorizing legislation and the necessary appropriations.

Norman McL. Rogers,

Minister of Labour.

Ottawa, April 1, 1936. Honourable Thane A. Campbell,

Premier of Prince Edward Island, Charlottetown, P.E.I.

It will be recalled that the increased grant in aid authorized following the dominion provincial conference was for the four winter months December nineteen thirty five March nineteen thirty six inclusive. Having regard to the decrease in relief costs during the summer months the government has decided that its contribution should be decreased as from this date and I am authorized to advise you that the provisional grant to your province for the current month will be three (Mr. Rogers.]

thousand one sixty dollars ninety four cents contingent of course upon parliament's action in regard to the authorizing legislation and the necessary appropriations.

Norman McL. Rogers,

Minister of Labour.

Toronto Ontario,

April, 2, 1936.

Hon. Norman McL. Rogers,

Minister of Labour,

House of Commons,

Ottawa, Ontario.

Re your wire. We must protest emphatically against reduction in relief grants to province of Ontario since unbearable burden must be passed on to municipalities and thence to defenseless unemployed. Provincial government took up slack in 1934 when dominion grants cut assuming contribution treble that of dominion and municipalities and amounting to nearly 21 million out of total 28 in 1935. We accepted principle humanity outweighs financial expediency in such a national emergency. Most earnestly beg you on behalf of distressed municipalities and of unemployed themselves to withhold action until new unemployment commission establishes actual needs of Ontario's people. When increased dominion grant effective we notified all municipalities governmental assistance increased from two thirds to three fourths basis contingent on maintenance of federal rate and they budgetted on that understanding. Now must inform them that unless we hear to contrary we must pass on cut to them and their people and that they should exert all possible influence to have not overgenerous annual contribution of thirteen million restored so that further hardship avoided in meeting national problem.

M. F. Hepburn.

Winnipeg, Manitoba,

April 2, 1936.

Hon. Norman McL. Rogers,

Minister of Labour,

Ottawa, Ontario.

Telegram first instant re decrease in grant received and before I announce to municipalities that it will be necessary to make a reduction in percentage paid on behalf of dominion government I respectfully ask that decision be reconsidered and reduction deferred until relief load shows some indication of decreasing. Please consider first there has occurred no decrease in either numbers on relief nor in costs. Second, Manitoba has had a very severe winter and in fact cold weather still prevails and fuel and clothing costs are very high. Temperature fifteen below Wednesday morning. Third, February costs exceeded January this year by seventeen thousand dollars and exceeded February last year by eighty three thousand. March figures not available but will be higher still. Fourth, the numbers at commencement of April month are increasing rather than decreasing. Unless you can see your way to reconsider the reduction we will be compelled to require municipalities

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to bear a greater percentage of cost because we see no indication of immediate decrease in the relief load and as you are aware province is not in position to assume a larger share. Kindly advise.

John Bracken.

Winnipeg, Manitoba,

April 3, 1936.

Honourable Norman McL. Rogers,

Minister of Labour,

Ottawa, Ontario.

Further to my wire of yesterday regarding relief costs and dominion grant you will be interested to know the total costs for Manitoba for four months December to March inclusive will total two million four hundred thousand including close estimate of March. Am writing you this information so that you will know what proportion you are contributing.

John Bracken.

Ottawa, April, 3, 1936.

The Honourable Mitchell F. Hepburn,

Premier of Ontario,

Toronto, Ontario.

Your telegram 2nd. Would again point out that the large increase of 75 per cent in the grant in aid as from December 1st last was made distinctly for the four winter months December, January, February and March only. The present reduction of 15 per cent in that increased grant for the present month was reached only after the most careful consideration of the whole relief problem and as a matter of fact after a considerable larger reduction had been contemplated and discussed. In view of the very material reduction in relief rolls as indicated by Honourable David Croll in his speech on the budget and in view also of the lower costs which have always prevailed during spring and summer months, we do not feel that tbe 15 per cent reduction can be regarded as unreasonable, especially when present contribution is compared with that which prevailed in April of last year. As requested by you the announced reduction was reconsidered by cabinet to-day but was confirmed for the reasons above stated.

Norman McL. Rogers,

Minister of Labour.

Ottawa, April 3, 1936. Honourable John Bracken,

Premier of Manitoba,

Winnipeg, Man.

Your telegram of April second and third received. Would again point out that the large increase of 75 per cent in the grant in aid as from December first last was made distinctly for the four winter months December, January, February and March only. The present reduction of 15 per cent in that increased grant for the present month was reached only after the most careful consideration of the whole relief problem and as a matter of fact after a considerably large reduction had been contemplated and discussed. In view of the lower costs which have always prevailed in spring and summer months

we do not feel that the 15 per cent reduction can be regarded as unreasonable especially when the present contribution is compared with that which prevailed in April of last year. As requested by you the announced reduction was reconsidered by cabinet to-day but was confirmed for the reasons above stated.

Norman McL. Rogers,

Minister of Labour.

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FARM LOAN ACT INSPECTORS

LIB

Mr. LACOMBE:

Liberal

1. Pursuant to the Farm Loan Act, will the government appoint additional appraising inspectors in connection with the valuation of farms?

2. If so, how many such inspectors will be appointed in the province of Quebec?

3. How many by constituency?

4. When will they be officially appointed?

5. When will they start inspecting farms?

6. Will the larger agricultural centres have a greater number of such inspectors?

7. Will such appraising inspectors be obliged to make their reports to the board with as short a delay as possible?

8. Will they receive instructions to that effect?

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Mr. DUNNING: (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

1. The government does not appoint appraisers under the Canadian Farm Loan Act. In accordance with the provisions of that act the Canadian Farm Loan Board appoints all appraisers employed thereunder. Information supplied by the Canadian Farm Loan Board. .

2, 3, 4, 5 and 6. The number of appraisers employed in the province will depend on the number of loan applications in respect of which appraisals are required, and appointments will be made as the work requires. Appraisal operations will be initiated when conditions are considered suitable for proper appraisal work.

7. Yes.

8. Yes.

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SASKATCHEWAN GRAIN PURCHASES

CON

Mr. PERLEY (Qu'Appelle):

Conservative (1867-1942)

1. Has the federal government any knowledge of the transactions with respect to the purchase of oat futures and cash oats, by the provincial government of Saskatchewan during the period from September, 1934, to January 1, 1936, and at what stage are the negotiations between the two governments at the present time, with respect to losses on account of said transactions?

2. Will the Minister of Finance table all letters, telegrams and other documents between the federal and provincial government of Saskatchewan since October 15, to date, dealing with said transactions?

3. Has the dominion government any liability, or do they intend to assume any liability for losses occasioned by option purchases and cash

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grain purchases made by the Department of Agriculture of the province of Saskatchewan, in connection with relief and seed distributions during the period extending from September 1, 1934, to present date?

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Mr. DUNNING: (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

1. The dominion government has no knowledge in detail of the transactions referred to. At the request of the province of Saskatchewan, the dominion government consented to Canadian Co-operative Wheat Producers, Limited, acting as agents of the province in connection with the purchase of a certain quantity of wheat and oats, and contracts for the purchase and future delivery thereof, for account of the province in connection with its agricultural relief operations. Order in council P.C. 975 of 12th April, 1935, passed pursuant to the Relief Act, 1935, guaranteed payment of bank advances which Canadian Co-operative Wheat Producers, Limited, had obtained or would obtain in order to finance the transactions. The advances have not yet been liquidated in full and it is understood that negotiations are proceeding between the company and the province. Verbal discussions have taken place from time to time between representatives of the dominion and the province with reference to the outstanding balance.

2. The matter has not been the subject of any communications between the Minister of Finance and the province.

3. A contingent liability exists so long as any bank advances made under P.C. 975 of 12th April, 1935, are outstanding.

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*BANK OP CANADA

LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

What powers does the Bank of Canada presently exercise and which, (a) the Minister of Finance could exercise, and (b) which he could not exercise, prior to the establishment of such bank?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

With reference to this question, it seems to me to be a matter of examining two statutes, the Finance Act and the Bank of Canada Act. The hon. member who asks the question is a distinguished member of the legal profession, and the statutes speak for themselves.

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April 6, 1936