March 25, 1936

SC

Robert Fair

Social Credit

Mr. FAIR:

Would the minister be good

enough to tell us what will be in the proposed bill?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

The resolution covers

in general terms what will be included in the bill, that is, that it is expedient to bring in a measure to provide for the payment of certain sums of money to the Canadian Wheat Board for distribution to primary producers of wheat in the provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta who delivered wheat grown in 1930 to Canadian Cooperative Wheat Producers, Limited, through their respective pool organizations. Those who signed contracts with the wheat pools delivered wheat in 1930 at an initial price of seventy cents per bushel, No. 1 northern, Fort William; later on at sixty cents per bushel, No. 1 northern, Fort William; still later at fiftydive cents per bushel, No. 1 northern, Fort William, and still later at fifty cents per bushel, No. 1 northern, Fort William. The suggestion in connection with wheat is to pay an amount equal to the sixty cent payment to all who received less than sixty cents. That is to be done in the manner suggested in the resolution.

Ifi the second place there is the payment by the Canadian Wheat Board to the CanafMr. Pcc.le.l

dian Cooperative Wheat Producers, Limited, of the net credit balance resulting from transactions by Canadian Cooperative Wheat Producers, Limited, in respect of coarse grains grown in the year 1930. There were four different pools in Saskatchewan and Manitoba; there were no pools in Alberta having to do with coarse grains. The four pools in Saskatchewan and Manitoba had to do with the marketing of oats, barley, flax and rye; these pools were finally handled through Mr. McFarland, as .the representative of the banks, I think, who were financing the pools in their operations, in such a manner as to dispose of these grains, and the amounts that are now in the accounts that were guaranteed by the government are to be returned to the wheat pools to be handled by them in such manner as will be provided in the act. The amount involved in the first part of the resolution, that is in the wheat, will total about $6,500,000; the amount involved in the coarse grain pools will be $350,000, and these amounts will be returned. There will be an amount for the payment of reasonable expenses incurred in carrying out the provisions of the act, that is to say, expenses incurred in making the returns of these sums of money.

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LIB

Charles Edward Bothwell

Liberal

Mr. BOTHWELL:

What justification is

there for making this payment to contract holders in the wheat pool any more than for paying growers of wheat in the west on the same basis of sixty cents a bushel, that is to those who delivered wheat at possibly fifty to fifty-five cents, and who did not belong to the pool?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

I should much prefer

to discuss on the second reading the provisions contained in the bill. On the second reading the whole bill will be before the house and the house can examine its different sections and discuss the proposals from that point of view. I have no objection to giving at this stage all the information I can with respect to the matter under discussion, but I would suggest that probably the discussion of the reasons that might prevail in connection with making these payments as against the reasons which might exist for paying other amounts would take me a little afield in discussing the resolution itself. I should prefer to deal with that matter on the second reading, in so far as it can be dealt with at all in a discussion of this question, to going into details in that connection at the moment. But any suggestion with regard to amounts or what is involved in the payments or anything of that kind could, I am sure., be properly given now.

Wheat Board

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SC

Joseph Needham

Social Credit

Mr. NEEDHAM:

Will these payments

be made to the pool or directly to the members of the pool from the federal government?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

The bill will contain

provisions for the method by which the payments are to be made. I assume, however, that the most suitable way, generally speaking, of making payment would be to follow the method that has always been followed by the pools themselves in making payment. There is machinery for doing it in that way through the pools themselves and it is possible that that would be found to be the most convenient way.

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LIB

William Henry Moore

Liberal

Mr. MOORE:

On the second reading of the bill will the minister be in a position to provide information as to the present financial condition of the pool?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Only in relation to

those matters dealt with in the bill; with regard to the general financial position of the pool, no.

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CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. DOUGLAS:

Will the minister give

an itemized statement of the amounts?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

I have given the

amounts in round figures: For wheat, $6,500,000; for coarse grains, about $350,000, and there will be a comparatively small amount for expenses in making the distribution.

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George William McDonald

Liberal Progressive

Mr. McDONALD (Souris):

Does this contemplated payment include the premium on durum wheat?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

I did not quite hear the question, but I believe that what the hon. gentleman has in mind is the amount of money actually obtained for durum wheat, which was a premium over other wheat. The answer is yes.

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SC

Archibald Hugh Mitchell

Social Credit

Mr. MITCHELL:

Does the $6,500,000

cover the spread on all grades, or is it confined to certain grades only?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

It covers the spreads,

just as they were paid previously by the pool.

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Thomas Miller Bell

Mr. COLD WELL:

Does this phraseology

in respect of coarse grains include all coarse grains, and is each of the coarse grain pools to be treated separately in this division? I have in mind the situation in connection with the delivery of flax. Is that to be treated on the same basis or on a basis different from that in regard to the other grains, respecting which possibly there may be some surplus?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Each of the pools is

separate. There are separate pools for oats, rye, barley and flax, and they will be dealt

with in this legislation as separate pools. The amount that is available in each pool will be returned. Flax will be dealt with in the manner indicated, and any surplus there will be returned.

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SC

Robert Fair

Social Credit

Mr. FAIR:

Will this legislation be puit

into force immediately? The farmers are short of money, and if these payments were made right away a good deal of trouble would be avoided and the expenses would be met in connection with seed, feed and other requirements.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

I do not know whether I understood the question. Is the hon. gentleman asking whether the legislation will be put into force in time for seeding operations?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

That depends entirely

upon the length of time it takes to geit this legislation through the house. As soon as the legislation is through the money will be paid.

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March 25, 1936