March 16, 1936


Item agreed to. Customs tariff-367. Watch cases, and parts thereof, finished or unfinished: 35 per cent.


CON

John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

The duty placed on watch cases by the late government resulted in cutting down the importations, which in 1931 were $142,000 and in 1935 only $42,000. We have some fairly substantial watch case factories in this country employing quite a number of highly paid workers. I was just wondering what the effect was going to be on Canadian employment through reducing the tariff on watch cases from 45 per cent to 35 per cent.

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CCF

Abraham Albert Heaps

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. HEAPS:

If the minister is unable

to answer my bon. friend who has just asked a question-

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I did not gather that a

question was asked. What was the question?

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CON

John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

I remarked that the

tariff of the recent government-

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I got that part of it,

but what was the interrogation?

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John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

The question is, has the

minister tabulated or estimated the effect on employment in Canadian watch case factories of which I know a number, of reducing the tariff from 45 per cent to 35 per cent?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

Well, the production

last year, after all the efforts that my hon. friends opposite had made under a 45 per cent tariff, was only $202,000 worth.

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SC

Percy John Rowe

Social Credit

Mr. ROWE (Dufferin):

Quite a lot of

watches.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I venture to say it did

not pay a great amount of wages to a large number of men, the total production being only $202,000. In the view of the government 35 per cent is adequate.

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CON

John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

I am inclined to think

that the labour would represent not less than 40 per cent, and would more likely be, in a business of that kind, in which precious metals are used, as high as 50 per cent. A hundred thousand dollars is a fairly substantial bill of wages.

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CCF

Abraham Albert Heaps

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. HEAPS:

I do not know whether the

minister can say how many men are employed in Canada in the making of watch cases. My information is that there are not very many. I want to protect the men employed in the industry, but I notice that in industries which get the higher protection the workers usually have the lowest wages. All I can say is that they will receive thirty-five per cent protection, and there is something radically wrong with any industry that cannot exist in Canada on a thirty-five per cent duty.

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SC

Percy John Rowe

Social Credit

Mr. ROWE (Dufferin):

Why not make

it free, then?

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LIB

Robert John Deachman

Liberal

Mr. DEACHMAN:

I suggest that the hon. member for Davenport (Mr. MacNicol), who has put forth this argument a number of times, should bring forward a table showing the number of men employed in, say, 1922 and from then on to 1930. At that time we had a change of government. Tariffs went up more sharply than they did at any previous time in Canadian history, and the result was the sharpest reduction in the number of men employed that ever took place in any similar period of time. I think my hon. friends ought to provide these records. Let us get down to a definite examination of cases, and then I hope, if it can be shown that the lower tariff does actually increase the number of men employed, my hon. friend from Davenport will sit on the same side with me not only physically but politically, that he and his friends may see the light which will lead us to a great deal more employment than we have had in the past, and that they will abandon a policy which has stifled the trade of the country.

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John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

There is no possibility

of my sitting on the same side politically as the hon. member for Huron North (Mr. Deachman). My life has been associated with employment. The interests of the workers are my interests. But as far as I can figure from his record, the hon. gentleman who has just spoken has had little to do with employment, and on that score he and I are as far apart as the poles.

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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART:

Can we get the rate of

duty on these articles going into the United States?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

Yes. I am sure my hon. friend will be pleased with this one. The United States rate of duty oh watch cases, gold and platinum, is seventy-five cents each, plus forty-five per cent ad valorem. If they are of silver, the United States rate is forty cents each and forty-five per cent ad valorem. If they are of base metal with no precious metal, the rate is only twenty cents each and forty-five per cent ad valorem.

Canada-U.S. Trade Agreement

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LIB

Alexander MacGillivray Young

Liberal

Mr. YOUNG:

The hon. member for Davenport (Mr. MacNicol) says that his life has been associated with employment. I must say that under the policy of the previous government in the last five years he must have had a most uncomfortable life.

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Item agreed to. Customs tariff-388. Iron or steel angles, beams, channels, columns, girders, joists, tees, zees, and other shapes or sections, not punched, drilled or further manufactured than hot rolled, weighing not less than 35 pounds per lineal yard, n.o.p.; piling of iron or steel, not punched or drilled, weighing not less than 35 pounds per lineal yard, including interlocking sections, if any, used therewith, n.o.p.: $3 per ton.


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William Cameron Edwards

Mr. EDWAUDS:

Is there any change in this item?

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March 16, 1936